Arguments have logical conclusions. If it is allowable to abort babies in the womb if they ‘threaten’ the life of the mother or have a health condition, then it has long been something of a puzzle, logically, why the same thing should not apply to new-borns, who, after all, are even more helpless (having no means of feeding themselves at all). Apart from death and taxes, the third thing that is inevitable in this world is that a bad argument will eventually be pushed to its logical conclusion. A recent edition of the Journal of Medical Ethics has a piece by two authors arguing just that case.
The authors go on to state that the moral status of a newborn is equivalent to a fetus in that it cannot be considered a person in the “morally relevant sense.” On this point, the authors write:
Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.
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Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.
And there we have it, and a better example of the ‘thin end of the wedge’ argument you could not find. Because lawmakers have allowed research to be conducted on ‘spare embryos’ and because some legal systems allow the death penalty, then newborns should be killed if it is convenient. Situations
where after-birth abortion should be considered acceptable include instances where the newborn would be putting the well-being of the family at risk, even if it had the potential for an “acceptable” life. The authors cite Downs Syndrome as an example, stating that while the quality of life of individuals with Downs is often reported as happy, “such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.
Leaving aside the ‘ethics’ of equating a newborn child with a convicted murderer (one really does wonder about an ‘ethicist’ who can advance such a thesis), the ramifications of this argument take us back to the age of Nazi eugenics. If being alive confers no rights, and if the main consideration is someone else’s valuation of your quality of life, then there is no telling where such arguments will lead – although the Nazi era provides us with chilling examples. If personhood is subject to situational ethics, especially at the hands of such ‘ethicists’, I doubt anyone would want to be poor, sick, disabled or old. But their argument contains an inconvenient truth – which is that it is the logical end of the pro-abortion argument. All that remains to be decided is at what age a child should be free from the threat of post-birth abortion – as a friend of mine commented with black humour, ‘few children would survive the terrible twos’ on that basis.
The editors of the Journal concerned have commented in a passage which perfectly sums up the debased state of our Western culture:
… the goal of the Journal of Medical Ethics is not to present the Truth or promote some one moral view. It is to present well reasoned argument based on widely accepted premises. The authors provocatively argue that there is no moral difference between a fetus and a newborn. Their capacities are relevantly similar. If abortion is permissible, infanticide should be permissible. The authors proceed logically from premises which many people accept to a conclusion that many of those people would reject.
Such is the brave new world promised us by situational ethics and relativism. Where the only basis of morality is a societal consensus, there is no firm ground, and all is sand – and we know what happens to those who build their houses on sand. The editor notes: ‘The paper also draws attention to the fact that infanticide is practised in the Netherlands.’ So if you thought that no society would allow infanticide, think again.
The Journal does not specifically support substantive moral views, ideologies, theories, dogmas or moral outlooks, over others. It supports sound rational argument. Moreover, it supports freedom of ethical expression.
And there we have it. Not killing newborn babies is simply one ‘moral view’ among many others. Oh what a brave new world that has such people (although fewer of the wrong sort) in it!
Nicholas said:
This journal is not only morally bankrupt but a philosophical disgrace. I doubt that promoters of views like these would stand up to the scrutiny of someone like Plato or Leibniz. They have abandoned logic for “convenience” – far from being rationalists, they have become irrational.
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chalcedon451 said:
In their madness they have become inhuman.
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Nicholas said:
It boggles the mind how anyone can think this way. They don’t seem to realize that their position is self-contradictory, and so logically invalid, while a number of their premises are unsound. What is especially worrying is that these people don’t seem to see the fact that abortion carried out by parents and/or doctors is a betrayal: these are the people who have a special duty to protect vulnerable children.
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chalcedon451 said:
As someone once said, it takes a very clever person to believe something so stupid.
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NEO said:
No, if you accept their premise, they are correct, as was Sanger, and Hitler. In fact, here, they are, in fact correct, “The authors provocatively argue that there is no moral difference between a fetus and a newborn. Their capacities are relevantly similar.” That is true because a fetus is indeed a person, even at law, often if you kill a pregnant woman, you will be charged with two counts of murder. Life, as always, begins at conception, because it’s the only logical point.
Their problem is that ethics without foundation, is an oxymoron. As I said yesterday, utilitarianism gone mad, and rationality in service of evil. And I’ll bet the Journal would not publish someone writing against abortion, especially if that someone happened to be a Christian.
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chalcedon451 said:
On the last point, who can tell? But I suspect you are right. And yes, if you accept the premises, they are right. We saw where this led, and yet there are still people wanting to go there; incredible!
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NEO said:
I find it incredible, but it seems it is so.
True that last point is speculative, but it seems so to me, as well.
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thoughtfullydetached said:
Aside from religion are there grounds to value another person for anything other than utilitarian reasons? Reason can construct all sorts of arguments in favour of humans living cooperatively because this produces good outcomes for individuals and their children. Where cooperative endeavour is unproductive of such benefits, as in the case of, say, disabled babies, then are there any purely reasonable grounds to continue with such endeavours?
The argument that each individual life is inherently valuable simply because it is a life is an essentially religious one. Christianity gives extra weight to it by adding that Christ died on the Cross for each individual person without exception. The further our societies travel from spiritually based values the more mere public sentiment is the only thing standing between us and untrammelled utilitarianism. And unless it is nourished by the root of true religion public sentiment will wither away to be replaced by hard faced philosophies that see anyone outside the Self as a means and not a sufficient end.
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Nicholas said:
I think you could actually make a pragmatic case against them through a “slippery slope” argument or one of logical inconsistency. They still wouldn’t accept it – but that is not because the reasoning is bad but because the heart is corrupt. They are basically rejecting an objective arbiter, and without an arbiter, there is really no reason to say that one life should be terminated and another not. By their own logic, it would be valid to execute the authors of the article.
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chalcedon451 said:
I agree, Steve, it seems to me that Christianity offers the only argument for each human life being uniquely valuable.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Chalcedon. This subject is too attractive to me to say no to. Alrightie then. Time for my two cents worth.
Your quotation of the eminent losers in the Journal of Medical Ethics following:
“such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.” could’ve come from the mouths of the orchestrators of the ethical cleansing of the Thrid Reich of all of its undesirables. Yes, in my rudimentary studies of history I DO recall similar words being used to justify the murders of millions of undesirables by them in their death camps and prisons. It filled trenches on the sides of the roads with the corpses of all of those deemed a burden on the taxpayers of Germany and every place they colonized for Hitler and Germany. Funny these men mention Down Syndrome children and their parents. I’ve recently read in at LifeSite News ( https://www.lifesitenews.com/ ) that most children diagnosed in the womb as having Down Syndrome are aborted. Here is a clip from that article: “Pregnant mothers are often pressured to abort upon receiving a pre-natal diagnosis of Down syndrome or other disability, even though the tests can be wrong, and despite the fact that 99 percent of people diagnosed with Down syndrome who are allowed to be born say they are happy with their lives. An estimated 90 percent of all babies diagnosed with Down syndrome are aborted.” https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judges-ruling-overturns-indiana-law-blocking-abortions-for-down-syndrome
If these men and women who claim to be speaking ethically for any medical practitioner claim that society is better off without any particular group of persons, then it is time to put them out of business before their ethic spreads. It is a very deadly ethic.
On another level, the psychology of psychopathy is similar in that those persons the average sociopath and psychopath claim as victims are also deemed non-persons in their minds and many also feel that they are doing them a favor by killing them. They also see their acts of murder as doing society a favor as well. Check the DSM on that and you will see a very chilling comparison. I’d push that envelope so far as to say that the article in the Journal of Medical Ethics you quote qualifies as the ravings of a sociopath nearly perfectly. It applies to the authors and purveyors of any and all such “ethics.”
Here is another interesting article along the same line right over there in your home country: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/mum-identical-downs-syndrome-twins-7258169
Yeppers, the crimes of ethnic cleansing and genocide aren’t just found in the world’s theaters of war. This is why some of us who are engaged in the fight for life for all describe the abortion on demand issues as the war on the womb.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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ginnyfree said:
One other little comment. I have a Bible & Catechism study going on in my home with several of the women from my parish and of course we are discussing the upcoming election and the differences between the candidates. This topic was included. I let everyone know that when the history books are written 150 years from now, they will look back on these generations and call us barbarians because of the wholesale slaughter of so many millions of babies and that is exactly what we are. Barbarians who kill the innocents because it is convenient.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
You are right ginny. I think our descendants will look back on arguments such as the one in that article in the way we look back at those defending slavery on the grounds the slaves were not ‘really human’. Sheer barbarism. From a utilitarian viewpoint, of course, this means that these people literally die off, and what will be left are those who don’t kill their unborn and their elderly – religious people.
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NEO said:
As some have said, these types will win ‘the Darwin Award’. Natural selection does select (at least on some scales) those who are fittest to survive, and they are the ones that reproduce. Sad that they think themselves so wise, but can’t understand their own sources.
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chalcedon451 said:
Maybe it doesn’t matter to them – as long as they have eaten, drunk and made merry, they are happy to die on the morrow – what an impoverished vision of life though.
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NEO said:
Very much so, you may be right, but I can’t imagine how one lives with that (pseudo) philosophy.
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chalcedon451 said:
At least they have euthanasia to which to look forward.
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NEO said:
Indeed they do, and then oblivion.
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chalcedon451 said:
Richly deserved.
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NEO said:
Agreed.
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Bosco the Great said:
Who cares what these Bozos say. If you injure a pregnant lady and the baby dies, you are up for murder charges. That’s why god made the Lake of Fire. These people will have eternity to feel sorry for their wickedness.
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chalcedon451 said:
So great is their wickedness that I doubt they will be sorrowful – they will blame God, they will blame everyone but themselves.
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