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The announcement that the Pope has instituted a commission of inquiry into whether the Church should have women deacons raises, again, a question we have aired here before (Jessica’s last piece garnering a record 295 comments which generated as much heat as light). That there were women in the early Church who bore the title ‘deacon’ is not contested; what is contested is the role of these women. They seem to have prepared women converts for baptism. Why was this necessary? In the early Church people were baptised by full immersion – and it was necessary that women should be taken through that process by women. But this whole business is, of course, as Tina Beattie admitted (at 39 minutes here) this morning, an opportunity to discuss (yet again) the issue of the ordaining of women as priests. That the arguments for the latter are discussed purely in terms of secular notions of equality, suggests that the theological arguments in Catholic terms do not exist. Those who listen to the ‘BBC Sunday’ programme to which I linked, will be able to savour Professor Beattie in full cultural appropriation mode telling us what it is African women want – a line of argument curiously old-fashioned now, which perhaps tells us something about where that sort of old-fashioned Catholic liberalism has become stuck. We might, perhaps, let African women speak for themselves, they do not need white people to ‘rescue’ them or to speak on their behalf. By contrast, Fr Alexander Lucie-Smith rests securely in the teaching of the Church and the faith that it is guided by God through the Holy Spirit.
The whole Ressourcement argument – that is that we go back to the early Church to see how things were done then and recover early practice – is an essentially Protestant trope. It assumes too much and forgets too much. It assumes we can know with precise accuracy the practice of the early Church, when, in practice, we can recover some things about what it did in some areas; so, yes, there were female deacons, but no, we cannot be sure what they did. What we can be sure of is that in patriarchal societies they did not do the sort of things that modern feminists would have wanted them to have done. So the best that could be hoped for here would be to construct your own Catholic history, in which you say there were women deacons but they should not do what they did back then because we are now post-patriarchal. That is simply to to admit that you knew what conclusion you wanted before you began; it would be refreshingly honest were this simply to be admitted. What does it forget? It forgets that the Church is an organic body which grows. The oak was once an acorn, but it cannot become an acorn again, it had grown beyond that stage.
Now, that last argument need, of course, not work in favour of the traditional position which the Church has taken, although there is strong evidence that St John Paul II was speaking authoritatively when he ruled out women’s ordination. It might well be that the Church is developing to a stage where its age-old teaching on women’s ordination is falling away, but if this is so at the moment, it requires us to believe that the Spirit is speaking in the language of modern secular feminism rather than in the terms He has usually employed. Pope Francis is certainly not of the opinion that the Spirit is speaking in favour of female ordination, having said that ‘”The church has spoken and says no … That door is closed” – to the evident disappointment of the more liberal elements in the media. The Church does not, he holds, as all his predecessors have held, possess the authority to ordain women. The Canon Law Society of America has issued a report showing that the diaconate is a clerical office:
Distinct from lay people in the church by divine institution are the sacred ministers, whom canon law calls clerics (c. 207). One becomes a cleric when one is ordained deacon (c. 266). Only clerics can obtain offices the exercise of which requires the power of orders or the power of ecclesiastical governance (c. 274). Deacons thus are clerics by virtue of their ordination and this makes them capable of exercising sacred office and sacred power. All clerics must be incardinated in a diocese or personal prelature or in some religious institute (c. 266). By ordination to the diaconate one becomes incardinated in the entity for which one is ordained (c. 266), and a cleric becomes entitled to suitable remuneration (c. 281).
In 2002, the International Theological Commission concluded a five-year study of the question of women deacons, initiated at the request of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and after more than 40,000 words, concluded that: 1) deaconesses in the early Church were not participating in some form of holy orders, 2) nor were they even equivalent to deacons. But, of course, many of those pushing for deaconesses today are doing so for the sole purpose of having leverage for the ordination of women to the priesthood.”
It may be that Pope Francis’ Commission will find some hitherto unknown ‘third way’, but it won’t find it in the sources, or in the tradition of the Church. In the meantime, the best advice is that offered by Fr Lucie Smith – trust in the Holy Spirit who guides God’s Church. If it really is the wish of God that His Church has women deacons and women priests, it will happen regardless of the fears of any of us, and if it not, it won’t, regardless of the hopes of any of us.
Did you actually listen to the programme? It was Alexander Lucie-Smith who chose to focus on African women, not me. Presumably then your comments apply to him.
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Yes, did you? It was you who chose to speak for African women and to assume they were unable to speak freely in front of men and especially male bishops. You were deploying what BME rights groups would call the ‘white rescue’ syndrome; well meant, no doubt, but now dated and regarded by BME people are patronising. I am sure you didn’t mean to be, but then white people never do – which is why it needs pointing out to them.
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That is actually Fr. Alexander Lucie-Smith. The least you could do is show him the courtesy of referring to him correctly.
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Where I live we have African missionary nuns (because clearly we need them!). I might pop round and ask them what they think….bit scared though 🙂
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As you are female, no doubt they will speak freely to you – just make sure there are no chaps present 🙂
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I trust readers of this blog to listen to the programme and make their own minds up. I am not getting drawn into an exchange with an anonymous blogger.
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In which case, why comment at all? Yes, people, African women included, can make up their own minds and speak them; not quite sure to whom that would be news, but thanks for pointing out the obvious. I blog pseudonymously because when I did not, some of my liberal academic colleagues ran a campaign at my university to get me disciplined. Academia is more tolerant of some views than it is of others.
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It seems you don’t wish to engage with those here, but instead just post something controversial and then run away.
That is a text book example of internet trolling.
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A moment’s ‘research’ would reveal my identity, but then she might have to answer the arguments, when it is clear she prefers to play the man, and indeed the ‘man card’. As regulars here know, I went pseudonymous (not anonymous) for a very good reason, as when I briefly posted under my own name ‘liberal’ colleagues complained to the university authorities. As I pointed out, conservative academics labour under disadvantages unknown to their liberal colleagues in academia.
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Chalcedon – may I tentatively suggest that you get a job in a ‘proper’ university – i.e. one that upholds the principle of ‘academic freedom’?
Admittedly this concept seems to be just about dead in the UK – which is one of the reasons I’ve never seriously considered returning there.
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I have just done so – but believe me, there are even fewer than you might imagine.
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I wasted valuable time listening to it (minutes of my life that I’ll never get back again) – and Chalcedon is right.
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She isn’t going to associate with the likes of us – she might actually have to answer the argument, after all, and that would never do 🙂
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I think in Dr. Beattie’s ideal world these deaconettes would also be able to perform abortions. This would seem to neatly address both of her hobby horses in one fell swoop.
Why she continues to try and pass herself off as a Catholic is beyond me. She can find all that she seeks within the Church of England which seems to be a far more suitable place for her.
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Being a tolerant sort of soul, I am prepared to acknowledge the rights of others to have opinions of which the Church disapproves; I am amused though that she seems to imagine that her disapproval is equivalent to that of the Church. Perhaps the hierarchy might help her out a bit here? Or is that too optimistic of me?
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Others have rights to hold any opinions they wish. Unfortunately holding certain opinions is incompatible with being Catholic.
In order to be a Catholic, one can’t simply hold any opinions one chooses. For example, one is free to hold to all the teachings of Islam. What one can’t do is profess the faith of Islam and still claim to be a Catholic.
Dr. Beattie in her advocacy for female ordination and for abortion holds opinions that are incompatible with the Catholic faith. One can’t hold these views and be, in any real sense, a Catholic.
We aren’t talking about whether a Catholic can disagree with the Church on the matter of priestly celibacy. That isn’t a dogmatic teaching of the faith. All Catholics are perfectly free to voice opinions on this subject. Clergy are bound, unless dispensed, to hold to the law, but they can still disagree with it.
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On the whole, I agree, although I am easy with lay Catholics arguing a case they think makes sense – as long as they agree when the Magisterium tells them they are wrong.
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Ressourcement is is not Protestant. It is what Pope Benedict XVI supported in his “Hermeneutic of Continuity”. IYou find iIt means seeing Vatican II in the context of the councils which preceded it and the teachings of the fathers. for example, the emphasis on the church as sacrament which we find in Lumen Gentium has roots which go back to St Cyprian of Carthage. Newman also, brought the insights of the Oxford movement into the Catholic church. He looked back to the Greek fathers. The article above cites Newman’s image of the acorn and Newman set tests for valid development which he developed from Vincent of Lerin. We will have to see where the discussion on women deacons leads. Certainly, most of those who joined the Catholic church from the Anglican Communion after the C of E ordained women priests did so on the basis of authority and Pope JP II does seem clear. The priest represents Christ so maleness here matters. That may not be the same for the role of deacons which is not necessarily an argument for or against women deacons.
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I hope a rereading will reveal that I was not saying it was Protestant (which would have made no sense) but that it has often been used in a Protestant way. Ressourcement needs to be used carefully. I am an historian and well aware of the limits of our understanding of the full context within which some of the ancient discussions took place. If you read Rowan Williams’ introduction to the Gracewing edition of Newman’s ‘Arians of the Fourth Century’ you will find a good account of its limitations. We all approach the past from a point of view of the present, and we are all at risk of mining from it those things we want and ignoring those which do not appeal; a form of Whig history.
You’ll find elsewhere here Newman’s tests outlined, and they are good ones, but he was not infallible, nor am I, and we are fortunate in having a Magisterium the head of which is infallible when he pronounces ex cathedra on faith and morals; the question is, of course, how we define the ex cathedra pronouncements?
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