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It seems as though we cannot have a few days going by without there being a fresh atrocity. There is already an established set of reactions. There are social media reports that the attacker shouted a Muslim slogan; there are tight-lipped official sources who will say nothing about the origin of the attacker. Then comes the suggested the person was acting alone, a ‘crazed gunman’, and even that he must in some way have belonged to a right-wing group. Finally comes the revelation that the perpetrator had some links to radicalised Islamists. On the one hand is an anxiety to say something bad about Islam, on the other an anxiety not to make a bad situation worse. Underlying this curious dance are two different world-views: one sees Islam as an existential threat, the other sees it as part of a multi-cultural world, and between them, it seems, there is is no middle way.
The history of the relationship between Christianity and Islam has certainly been one of considerable violence, with the latter erupting into the Eastern Roman Empire with a spasm of violence which would conquer the whole of the southern Mediterranean Coast, from which an invasion of the Iberian Peninsula would follow. It took the victory of Charles Martel at Poitiers in 732 to put an end to the prospect of Western Europe falling under Islamic rule. In the east Islam spread to the borders of India, and by 1453 the capital of the Eastern Roman empire fell under Ottoman control. It was not until John Sobieski turned the Ottoman back from the gates of Vienna in 1683 that the prospect of central Europe falling under Ottoman control faded; it would take another century before Tsarist Russia would begin a process of pushing back the Ottoman domains which would end in 1922 with the fall of the Caliphate. Historical ignorance and a concentration on the Crusades has left many with the false impression that the Western Powers were the aggressors in the relationship between Christianity and Islam when for most of the time, it was the other way round; and, of course, the Crusades failed and the Christians lost.
In short, it is easy to fashion a narrative which says that because for most of the time Islam has been the aggressor, this is true again today. That is to ignore the period from 1774 through to today when, for much of the time, it was the Christian Powers who have been the aggressors – a narrative which has left some in the Islamic world arguing that the ‘Crusaders’ are out to destroy Islam. In fact it is only a minority on both sides against whom the charge of trying to destroy the other can be made – but because these minorities are very noisy, and, on the Islamic side, violent, they occupy much of the public square on the issue.
We get cries that all Muslims should renounce extremism and denounce the extremists, as though, in some way, that would help anything and somehow prove that they were ‘loyal’ to their host country. I can remember when the same demands were made in some quarters about the Irish on the Mainland of the UK during the ‘Troubles’ – as though somehow even being a Catholic meant you were sympathetic to blowing up British soldiers and innocent civilians. It was an insulting suggestion then, and is equally so now when made of our Muslim neighbours. From the evidence we have, it seems unlikely that most members of ISIS have any great grounding in Islamic teaching and more likely that they use their imperfect understanding of it as an excuse for their homicidal impulses and their lust for sex and power. To demand that real Muslims dissociate themselves from such people would be rather like demanding that Christians dissociated themselves from the old (or new) Ku Klux Klan. It is to surrender to the narratives peddled by the extremists.
There are millions of Muslims living in the West, and they are not going to go away. Most of them, the vast majority, want simply to coexist in peace with their fellow countrymen and women, Christian, atheist, Jew, agnostic or whatever. On the whole, I have found Muslims less antipathetic to other faith groups than many secularists. However much the knee might jerk when we have atrocities like the latest one in Munich, or horrors such as what happened in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, it is not going to help anyone to allow it to do so uncontrolled. To take an unexpected line, just as it is not guns who kill people, but killers, so, too, it is not Islam that kills people, but killers. If we give any credence to the narrative from some of those killers that they are authentic representatives of Islam, they win.
None of that is to say that relations between the West and some Islamic States are not problematic, but it is interesting that we appear to have managed to cope well enough for a long time with a state like Saudi Arabia – one of the most Islamic of States. Just as secularists in the West are having to get used to the idea that religion is not going to die, so they, and Christians, need to get used to the idea that among those religions not dying is Islam. We are living together, and we are going to go on doing so. It is the height of irresponsibility to give in to the narrative peddled by extremists on either side.
Whatever theologians, historians or extremists might say to all intents and purposes Islam is the sum of what Muslims believe it to be. Overwhelmingly ordinary Muslims live quiet, law abiding lives with strong family values and they see these things as the natural products of their faith. We could quote-mine the Quran and the Sunnah to *prove* them wrong but no amount of objective Quranic analysis would persuade people that the community of belief to which they belong has misinterpreted its own faith. Last year I wrote “Muhammed & the West” on my blog and said-
“Muslims see their prophet as having been an honest, trustworthy, gentle, peaceable, patient man and their scripture as laying out a way of devotion and tolerance. In a sense it doesn’t really matter whether this narrative is objectively true or not. What is decisive in forming the way Muslims behave is the fact that they believe it to be true. This belief tells us about the values which they hold and these clearly are not those which the popular Western discourse attributes to them.”
https://thoughtfullydetached.wordpress.com/2015/06/04/muhammad-the-west/
Many of the Western jihadis have histories of petty crime, alcohol and drug misuse and sexual promiscuity. What they rarely have is histories of regular mosque attendance. They present a picture of disassociation from the communities into which they were born, both those of religion and of citizenship. The challenge is to build a society which does not alienate so many of its young people and religion, including Islam, can be an ally not an opponent in this enterprise.
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I agree entirely – and that was a good post of yours too.
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I live in a Muslim country, most of my friends are Muslim and virtually all of my coworkers are. You are right that most of them are good, kind, honest and generous people. I would actually say that as a whole the average Turk is far friendlier and peace loving than the average American.
That said, I have also noticed that the more active someone is in their Muslim faith, the more likely they will be prone to violence. Both nominal Muslims and radical Islamists will agree that the life and sayings of Muhammad are their rule for faith and conduct. (This is what the hadiths and sunnah are and they, far more than the Quran itself dictate the daily practise of Muslims of all stripes) There is no getting around the fact that Muhammad himself was an incredibly violent man. This is why the saying is true (that I first heard from a nominal Muslim friend): The only good Muslim is a bad Muslim.
Quiz for you. How many suicide bombers were there in 2015? How many this year so far? Of those, how many do you think were committed by Muslims? What percentage?
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Interesting thoughts. One question which occurs is how many of the suicide bombers had a history of attendance at mosques, and how many of them were recent converts in radical contexts. Muhammad was indeed violent, and he lived in a violent age – Constantine was not exactly St Francis of Assisi. That said, I take your point, which is that the latter was not the founder of our faith, and Muhammad was of their faith.
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An overwhelming majority were born and raised Muslim. It is actually quite common to find that Imams themselves are the recruiters and financiers to the radical groups like IS Al Qaeda and Boko Haram. Most of the leading tribunal in IS along with a majority of the bombers in 9/11 are Saudi that you write we “get along quite well with”.
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Nonetheless, we do got along quite well with the Saudi State. Quite a number of those involved in the terror attacks in the West seem not to have been devout Muslims, and we are told that on captured ISIS computers, 80% of the memory is filled with pornography, which again, does not suggest these men are devout Muslims.
I have no doubt that some Imams do precisely what you say, but wonder how representative of the whole they are?
I also wonder what prescription for living with our Muslim neighbours you’d substitute for my suggestions?
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If you have a few minutes the following video makes a case explaining why irreligious Muslims are frequently recruited to extremism on the basis of teachings of the Quran and the hadith.
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Thank you, Rob, it makes the case very well.
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Cardinal Burke would disagee with you. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-the-church-really-should-be-afraid-of-islam?utm_source=LifePetitions
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I think we need, as I hope I do in my post, to distinguish between ‘Islam’ and ‘Muslims’. I am unsure what the good cardinal’s prescription for living with our Muslim neighbours might be.
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An excellent piece, C, and one that I find it difficult to respond to because of the different “hats” we wear. If you are talking about loving our neighbours, and praying for those who persecute us, then I can follow. If you are talking about absolutes and theologies, then obviously we have some issues. We wouldn’t be Christians if we thought Islam were true. In terms of mission, I don’t think it is our place to point out the faults of Islam, but we must allow that many Muslims are becoming Christians because God is opening their eyes to what Islam is. “Come out of her my children, that you may not partake of her sins.” In terms of what Islam is and what it proclaims, there on the very throne of God in Jerusalem, it is antichristian. “Who is antichrist but he who denies the Father and the Son?” There will come a time when we will need to be clear on this issue.
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I hope I distinguished sufficiently between Islam, which is false religion through whom no man can be saved, and the majority of its adherents, whose salvation can still be obtained through Grace and Mercy. It is our job to witness to the message of Christ and to encourage Muslims to come to know him. We don’t, I think, do that by the old methods of fire and sword.
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I quite agree and I thought your piece was sensitively written and irenic in tone. I come at things from a slightly different angle because of my own interest in the connection between the prophetic and the current age.
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It would be interesting to know more, Nicholas.
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Well, in terms of my eschatological beliefs, as you could tell from my earlier dialogues with Bosco, I also think we are living close to the return of Christ (though I am not a date-setter). The battle for Jerusalem is a central theme of the prophets regarding Christ’s return.
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I did spot that. As I said recently to Bosco, it would be the height of folly for anyone to claim that there is nothing in world events which suggests that the end times are not near. That said, I remain sceptical, although mindful that one day scepticism will be confounded 🙂
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I think you are wise, and I’ve seen in my own life and others unnecessary divisions caused by differing views on last things. My main points are really:
A) That we should be open to the possibility of His coming in our lifetime.
B) That each generation should be spiritually prepared for persecution and spiritual deception.
If these things are in place, then we are equipped to handle things whether or not we believe He is “at the door”.
I will be honest, however: after years of reflection on the matter, I am of the conviction that Turkey will lead that invasion, according to the prophet Ezekiel.
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It seems a sensible set of precepts. Not sure on the last one, but time will tell,
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In the Quran, Mohammed’s daughter asks him will happen on the judgement day, and he says that he doesn,t know, but Nabii Issah( Jesus) will be the judge. Nevertheless they say they are God’s slaves. We are God’s children. A slave will never take the place of a child.
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A key distinction – and thank you for making it.
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So much of this post resonates deeply with me; the need for middle ground, the futility of calling for fundamental goodness of people regardless of what background they were raised in reminds me of St Paul’s words in Romans 2:12-16 and this draws my attention to what seems a fundamental paradox between a fundamental Christian tenet: that Christian ideology sees every human being as having profound dignity, but Islamic teaching separates believers and “Kafir”.
As you say, we have to see that the vast majority of people want to live in peace and to look after their families. They share the same basic needs we all do. I wonder of this is because the truth articulated by St Paul is a truth for all of us, “Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment…For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God…” CCC 1776
The point I am trying to make is; does adherence to Islam ultimately cause a point of fracture with anyone who isn’t a Muslim to the point where the ideology can be easily manipulated to justify violence? At the heart of this assertion might be the relativistic philosophy that leaves Islam in a place where there is no right or wrong—merely the will of Allah. Whereas the Christian asserts that even “Pagans are led by reason to do what the law commands” Rom 2:12. In other words, we recognise right from wrong and our conscience, our reason allows us to make a right judgement about the good and or evil of acts.
If this is the problem at the root of Islam, how do we address it?
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2 of the Prophet Muhammad’s wives were Christians. It was the Christian king, the Negus of Abyssinia who first gave refuge to a group of Muslim refugees escaping persecution in Mecca. The Christian nations have always been a haven for the free practice of faith to all religions. The Ahmadiyya Caliphate has been in exile in London since 1984 where the current Khalifa of Islam still resides.
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Thank you for this interesting information.
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