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I am told that chickens can continue to run even after their head has been cut off; I have no idea whether that is true, but it seems an apt metaphor to apply to our politics today in the UK and the EU. I read that the EU wants us to begin negotiations straight away. This is one example of the chicken still running. What are the EU foreign ministers going to do if the UK does what its own Prime Minister has said it will, which is to begin the process in the autumn? The answer is nothing, and the minatory tone in which the comment was made is just one example of why so many people voted ‘leave’; it seems as though it is going to take time for the EU mindset to adapt to reality. At the same time, far too many on the losing side are behaving like children deprived of their favourite toy; it is not a sign of adaptation to circumstances to call half your fellow countrymen ignorant barbarians – that too is one of the reasons ‘leave’ got the traction it got. While I have sympathy with the young who feel betrayed, I can only say it does not look as though the young came out to vote in the numbers needed, and they need to remember that older people’s votes count as much as their own.
There are reports that Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are a little shell-shocked by the result, and that they had expected to put on a gallant, but not quite successful campaign, with ‘leave’ garnering enough votes to do very well, and to give them a good hand to play in negotiations with the EU when the former succeeded Cameron. That’s not improbable, as I met few on the ‘leave’ side who thought they would win. Now the oppositional rhetoric must stop, as must the scapegoating. Many of the things our politicians blamed on ‘Europe’ were, in fact the results of their own inadequacies. It is hard to have much influence in the European parliament if you deliberately align yourself with marginal parties; yes, you can complain of not having much influence, and you can rely on popular indifference not to understand why. There is a great deal of detailed work to be done; now it must be done.
The real ‘take away’ from this is nothing that ought to be new to any observer of the political scene – which is that we have a political elite which is out of touch with far too much of the electorate – and that applies to Labour perhaps even more than the Conservatives. For some time now Labour had been the party of the professional classes in the public sector, and of unionised labour. Mr Corbyn is a type recognisable to anyone of my age. He’s a product of the far left in the 1970s with an impeccably PC resume when it comes to causes fashionable with Guardian readers; I have spent much of my career with colleagues of that type. But they are as far away from the working class electorate as any ‘Tory Toff’. Labour voters throughout the Midlands and the North of England have delivered notice to the Corbynistas that they have had enough. The Corbynistas may write that off as ‘false consciousness’, but they would be better advised to ponder whether it is not their own state of mind which does not best deserve such an epithet?
For some time now our political parties have mapped very uneasily onto the real contours of contemporary Britain. This has allowed nationalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and to some extent Wales, to make an appeal based on fantasies of nationhood and ‘taking control’; now the ‘leave’ camp have done that on an English level. At a time of globalisation and social change, there is an obvious appeal in such a line. But nationalism has not got a constructive record in modern politics.
It is clear that millions here who feel they have been let down by the promises made about modernity, have taken the opportunity to give the political classes a kicking. It is equally plain that this is fertile soil for demagogues to plant their seeds. The sleep of reason produces monsters – so it would be good if we would all wake up and start thinking rather than emoting.
A solid piece, C. Definitely you at your best: reasoned, challenging, and conciliatory. As I was saying yesterday to my parents, this referendum has very much been a “Dies Irae”. The impression I get is that it is the venting of a host of angers generated under Blair and Brown, left simmering up till now. Leaving aside what we might say about the spiritual side of things, I agree with you that we need to have some frank and hard discussions across society, not just in the chambers of Westminster. Our tone should be one of dialogue rather than rage, and I’m appalled by the ill-feeling and abuse that people close to me have experienced.
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Thank you, Nicholas. It is unfortunate that the tone continues, and I can only hope it will work its way through the system. It would be better if we would now pull together.
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An excellent analysis, I think. It seems to me that almost alone in institutions, the EU makes Washington look responsible.
The key for me, at least, is that I think your politicians have been using the EU as an excuse for not doing their jobs, well, this rather puts paid to that, and that may be the best feature of all, you have regained the power to fire the government.
I have much sympathy for the young in this, and yet I’d bet that nearly every leave vote was cast with the hope that the voter’s children might have a better chance to succeed, than under the stifling wing of Brussels. It may be the wrong thing, but done with the best of intentions, and you know, in the medium and long term, I think it the right thing. Yes, there will be problems, but there always are.
I think you are correct about the leavers being dumfounded, as well. In my reading on Wednesday, my general impression was that it was a gallant fight, mostly, and gallantly lost. Well, surprises happen, but I don’t think much planning has been done, and that too will have a cost. So we’ll see.
But many comparisons have been drawn with a hot and muggy day in Philadelphia almost 240 years ago. I find them apt, and if you handle it well, it could easily be a new dawn for Britain. I’ve found Maggie Thatcher much on my mind this week, and if you take some lessons from her, well the world hasn’t seen the uncaged lion for many a year.
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It will be interesting to see what happens now. I am constitutionally unsuited to believing in new dawns, but then I am an old-fashioned Conservative who believed we shall muddle through – more or less as we usually do.
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I know, I’ve seen far too many false dawns as well. But, my guess is that you’ll muddle through this as admirably as you have all the other bogs our countries have been through.
Must also not that my spellchecker thinks ‘bogs’ should be ‘blogs’. Suppose it’s correct? 🙂
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That’s all you need, a spell-check that thinks it’s a critic 🙂
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No kidding, and doesn’t know that note has an ‘e’ either. 🙂
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True story. It is time for a reasoned response across the globe not an emotional one.
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It would make a pleasant change, Joseph.
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The 2nd most popular Google Search in the UK yesterday was: “What is the EU?”
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And that was only the people who voted to remain 🙂
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Great to see good brother Servus.
This EU business is just a forshadow of the 10 kingdoms in the book of Rev, of which nobody but me and good brother Joseph believes. You all wear yourselfs thin behind this. Oh, but I thought you all were born again? You all eat the Horus Seth and Isis cracker every false Sabbath. (the Sabbath is Saturday). If you knew Jesus, this wouldn’t bother you one bit, because he told us this would happen. But you don’t know Jesus and it shows.
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Speaking of the book of Rev, the Woman in cp 12 is the house of Israel. Some false religions claim the woman is them. But the bride of Christ is a chaste virgin. The Woman in cp 12 is with child. So, slap your fish hat holyman in the face next time you see him for being a liar.
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Good brother Mark Shea says…of cp 12….”say hello to Mary” …….Hes a liar first class. And you false religion liars lap it up. You cant even get your lies straight. You lie thru your teeth and say Mary was a virgin, and then tell the little ones that the woman with child in cp 12 is Mary. The least you liars can do is get your lies straight.
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I hear the spirit of Christ in no part of your way of conducting yourself.
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If someone lies, that someone is a liar. Jesus had no problem calling religious liars vipers. He even called them whited coffins, full of dead mens bones.
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Last time I looked, you weren’t Jesus. Did I miss something?
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The world is nearing the reign of The Man of Sin. Choose today whom you will serve.
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So you say, so people like you have been saying for nearly 2000 years. One day one of you will be right – the problem is thus far none of you has been.
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You remind me of my mother. She used to say the same thing.
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Sounds like she knew a thing or two. Of course, you may be right – by the law of averages, one day someone saying what you say will be.
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She didn’t know anything. To her, life was the evening news and a can of air freshener.
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Of course, The day Jesus floated up to heaven, Christians were expecting him to float back down any day now. They even sat around waiting. But there was no realistic way for them to understand. Isreal was still there, well, what was left of it……Judea. How could they think it would become a nation again when it already was a nation, and a nation protected by the super power Rome. Its the same situation with the book of Rev. A few things are understood because they are happening now…..like this EU business. But the majority of it we cannot understand, because it hasn’t happened yet. Take for instance the flying creatures with the head of a lion and a stinger in its tail. Well, that’s not hard to imagine. It is described pretty good. But we the people make all kinds of things out of it. Heliocopters. F18s. Abram Tanks. Then there are the Chalcedons of this world that will assure themselves that this is nothing but….I forgot the word….uh….oh yes….allegory. It doesn’t mean what it says. Peace and safety to you all.
Its not a crime to not believe the bible.
But when my mother was a child, there was no Israel. People used to talk of a “Spiritual Israel”. That’s all they had. The bible is quite clear, in many of the OT books and Rev, that Israel will become a nation again, and that it will be in the latter days. The bible is clear on a lot of matters, but does that mean anything to people who don’t believe the bible? No. They still revere men in costumes and bow themselves befor graven images. But now Israel is a nation, and its a stumbling block, just as the bible says. Jesus even mentions that when the fig tree blossoms, the time is at hand. But alas, the bible is for people who believe god. The catholic church has nipped it in the bud by telling its flock not to trust the bible….that it is a “dead letter and not to be understood”. Any one who goes religion shopping and falls into the CC is a FOOL.
The Chalcedons and my mothers of this world didn’t take into account that Israel has become a nation again, after 2000yrs. This is the one defining event. The next big thing is that the nations of the world will come against Israel, to take a spoil. Scripture is quite clear…when Israel returns, it will be surrounded by hostile neighbors….and it is. Have any of you bible scholars noticed that our brothers in ISIS haven said anything about Israel? Come on. Israelis must be shaking in their boots by now. ISIS has kept a low profile on Israel because they want to surprise them. Oh yeah rite. It wont be a surprise to Israel. Now, with Europe ready to fall apart(good riddens I say) they will look to Israel as a way out of their problems. All of the mid east troubles stem from the western world supporting this newcomer Israel. Isaiah 38 spells out the nation by name who will attack Israel. Oh, that’s rite, the bible is allegory. None of it means what it says. Chances are I wont be here to rub your noses in all of it. Heaven help you if I am allowed to be here for some of it.
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Well, Chalcedon, my parents’ generation voted leave and mine voted remain: we’re the ones who are going to have to make all of this nonsense work and live with the consequences; I think we have a right to be irked with our elders.
Here’s a couple of good examples: we currently have approximately 18 people in the civil service with any experience of/expertise in negotiating trade treaties, and overnight we need to renegotiate trade treaties with the EU and every other state that we had some sort of agreement with; we are also going to have to work out how to enact laws on VAT, banking regulation, regulation of hedge funds, private equity investment, food standards, food labelling, agricultural subsidy, state aid &c.; we are going to have to negotiate access to financial markets for our banks and other institutions.
It’s all a mess.
And that’s before we get to the question of the big financial institutions relocating: we could see up to 50,000 jobs in banking leaving London in the next few weeks and all of the nock-on that will have in the real economy.
And as for the young not coming out in the numbers needed, don’t forget that the contraceptive, individualistic culture of the ‘Boomers has meant that there are rather fewer of us than there should be. There aren’t enough of us to overturn the overwhelming xenophobic silliness of our parents’ generation.
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Indeed, but if the percentage of young people coming out had matched those of the old, ‘Remain’ would have won. It is not only actions which have consequences – so does inaction.
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Life is always a mess, old Ben Franklin summarized it way back in 1755 when he wrote, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”.
My guess that the older people were remembering back in the 70s when we were all aghast at ‘The British Disease’ and watching as France and most of Europe caught the contagion, and remembering how steadfast their parents were through the war (and its aftermath) and simply said, “No, we need to fix this now so our children have a chance to either succeed or fail.” And they took the only opportunity on offer. And they cared enough to vote in numbers that awed us over here in America. 70+%! Huzzah!
And frankly, do you really think that anybody at all is going to try to stop trading with Britain who has the fifth largest economy in the world? Business is about profit, not politics, mostly anyway. Do it even close to right, and you’ll end up very rich, after all you’ve been subsidising Europe for years now, let them earn an honest living, if they can.
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A link to prophetic update for Bosco http://babylonbee.com/news/dispensationalists-frantically-adjust-charts-include-brexit-vote/
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`All kinds of things are going to happen befor the rapture. Satan is getting the world ready for his time to rule. There will be a one world government, and ive heard good rumors that the headquarters will be in Kazakstan, of all places. The UN building also might be a second command post. Once in awhile I remind my friends in here who will be left behind….not to take the Mark. But generally I don’t dribble on about that because Jesus takes US out of here, so im not overly concerned about it. I am totally convinced that all the plaques and madness that god will rain down on the good people of earth will happen after the rapture. If one looks at Rev cp 4 vs 1 John is immediately in the spirit. He is raptured. This is when the church is taken. Because if one notes, the church isn’t mentioned again till cp 18 or 19, something like that. Its gone. The world will regroup after this event called the rapturos. People will want answers.Most people of the world have heard of this rapture, but how they will deal with it is beyond my critical abilities. Because the people who were taken were all professed Jesus believers, people will be saying they got raptured, by god. But im convinced that the authorities will step in and forbid people to continue talking about that. You know, the same way people in here would want me to stop exposing their idolatrous religion.
These pastors your article mentions, one of them here in Calif,, They mean well, with their charts and graphs. They might even be kinda close. Most of them aren’t born again. The only TV evangelist I know for a fact was born again it Dr Gene Scott. Im not to sure about John Hagee, but im not totally convinced he isn’t saved. He prays for America, something no born again I know does.
These are the last days. never befor in history does what happens in one country affect all other countries. The earth is just about under the same rule anyway. The bankers own the earth.And this devilsh catholic church has tentacles all over the planet. One of the first acts of the Man of Sin will be to disband the CC and set up his own religion. Not that the Devil has anything against the Catholic Church. It has served him well these 1700 odd years. The bible is clear…all the inhabitants of the earth will be forced to worship the Beast and his image.Cathols have absolutely no problem worshiping images. I saw a pic of the Holy Father slobbering all over some image over there In Armenia or somewhere.. But, in the end, I don’t have to adjust my timeline like these televangelist have to. They stuck their foot in their mouths and now they have to adjust their predictions. Cathols shouldn’t make fun of them…their religion backpedals on some dogma or another on a daily basis.
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Bosco did you realise that the link is a joke/a spoof?
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Jesus speaks of famine. Most famine of food are caused by politics. But there is also a famine of the word of God. What happens when one is hungry? Answer….. they will eat anything. The Catholic Cult of personality thrives on people hungry for the Word of God. It claims to be the only rout to heaven. Its devotees stay hungry for the Word of God. The CC refuses to give them the Word of God. Only their pedophiles in fish hats can understand the Word of God. Don’t bother reading it.
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Avert the disaster, follow the link, sign and share the petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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