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Call me Sinatra I suppose – but no one with a sensitivity level above that of a lump of iron could not fail to have been moved by comments made here asking me to stay, and wanting this place to continue its mission. It is easy to forget what has been wrought here across the years, and by many hands – and to discard it on an impulse of anger would be an error; better byΒ far to apologise for my hasty and unkind comments – public confession was the practice of the early Church, and it is good for the soul – so in the words of the General Confession:
ALMIGHTY and most merciful Father; We have erred, and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep. We have followed too much the devices and desires of our own hearts. We have offended against thy holy laws. We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us. But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders. Spare thou those, O God, who confess their faults. Restore thou those who are penitent; According to thy promises declared unto mankind in Christ Jesus our Lord. And grant, O most merciful Father, for his sake; That we may hereafter live a godly, righteous, and sober life, To the glory of thy holy Name. Amen.
I have certainly said things I ought not to have said and not said those things which I ought to have said, and willingly confess my faults and ask pardon, not only from my Lord, but from my friends and colleagues here – and may living a ‘Godly, righteous and sober life’ not make me too boring or inclined to judge others – at least for a while, until I stumble again.
I was struck by what Rob and Gareth said about the presence of Satan here. I don’t say this to excuse anything I said which caused offence, and I apologise to Jock, QV and most of all Dave Smith, for anything I wrote which caused offence; it does not matter if I meant to, I did – so a full and frank apology is called for. But I certainly felt a force here when I was writing some of my responses – and I should have desisted.
What I would say, as we proceed towards Holy Week, is that this Lent has been, for me, the hardest I have experienced. I would also ask some of our Roman Catholic friends to remember that to talk about my views, or those of others here as ‘heresy’ is never going to lead to a good place. If those of us who are not Roman Catholics thought as you do on the things where we are ‘heretics’ then we should be in your Church; as we are not, I think we all have to accept what follows from that – which is that accusations of heresy are about as unhelpful as me accusing others of lacking love.
As QV has noted, the impersonal nature of the internet can make things hard, as Chalcedon commented (and his patience with us all has been magnificent, so thank you C) without any body language, we can go badly wrong. But you know, for many years here we haven’t, and we haven’t because we have relied not on our own strength, but on putting our weaknesses at His service so He can make what He can of this place.
It was not so much the disputatiousness that made me think it best to stay away for a while, it was the feeling of a lack of love and charity in my own soul – but what has been said by so many, has opened a treasure chest of love in me. Geoffrey’s post moved me, as did Neo’s, as have the comments of Dave Smith, Rob and Gareth. But if everyone will forgive me, I want to say a special thank you to Bosco. If nothing else has come of this episode (and I think it has and will), others have, I think, seen what I have always seen – that the love of God is in him, and I am proud to call him brother. I have a redhead’s temper and give in to it sometimes, but I am too fond of you all, and came too close last year to not being here, to turn my back on you.
Let us walk towards Gethsemane together, bearing our crosses in as much love and mutual affection as is given to a bunch of repentant sinners.
Excellent, well done you – and everyone – let’s resume normal business – and good to have you back – it really would not have works sans toi.
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Hurrah – and a handsome apology. Shows us how to do it – and I am with C, marvellous that you’re back. GRRS
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I’ll let Frank say it for me:
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How utterly lovely – and thank you π xx
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My pleasure dear lady. I didn’t know you were a Sinatra fan. π
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My daddy loved him, so I grew up listening to him, Bing Crosby and Dean Martin – I only discovered rock and roll when I went to school – daddy hated it all and thought they were all a bunch of girls with long hair who couldn’t sing π xx
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Well you’re daddy couldn’t have picked better music to expose a young woman to.
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Yes, when the other girls at my boarding school had posters of rock stars in their room, I had Frank and Dean – still think they are better looking too π xx
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Ah, when girls were girls and men were men. π
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And when you could tell the difference too π xx
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The days before body waxing. π
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As my pupils would say ‘that’s a thing?’
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I guess that’s a thing today. When I grew up the boys couldn’t wait to “put hair on their chests”.
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As long as no one expects me to have hair on mine! π xx
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No that’s where I draw the line. π xx
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Me too!!!! π xx
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More reasonable than my dad, at least. He insisted that there hadn’t been a single piece of worthwhile music written since JP Sousa died.
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Daddy loved ‘swing’ – I must say I always envied the girls of that era with their glorious clothes – I’d have loved one of those dresses π xx
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I’d have loved how looked in one of those dresses, it would suit you, I think! π xx
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There’s a ‘vintage 50s’ night at a village hall near where I am now – I am sorely tempted to get a rockabilly dress and dance the night away π xx
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Go for it! If I was a couple thousand miles closer, I’d pick you up! π xx
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If you were closer, you’d have pulled π
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True dat! π xx
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Indeed, and welcome back, dearest friend π xx
We all said things (or at least I did) that may have been consonant with what I believe but were expressed in ways that were not designed to ‘keep the peace’. I’m sorry for that as well, but it does happen, especially when we get in a hurry, likely it will again. Sometimes, I forget that others here have shown me much patience, and fail to return the favor.
Happens to me often, I should remember that, and suspect it does to others as well.
It has indeed been a stressful Lent, especially for you, and I think we sometimes forget that we all have lives outside of AATW, as well.
And now we are nearly complete again. We always need our Chatelaine, to help us clean up the mess us stubborn men make. What do you mean, my coat doesn’t belong on that chair? π xx
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Glad you noticed that coat π xx And thank you and everyone so much for the kind words.
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Hah! Being single is liberating, in a way, but it doesn’t lead to things getting put away, all that often. π xx
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Yes, as I have occasion to tell someone from time to time, those clothes will not remove themselves from the bath room floor to the washing machine – to which the answer appears to be ‘I know, you’ll ensure they so!’ Other people!
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You can’t expect sisters to do the heavy lifting when their younger sister comes to stay π
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True that π xx
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Now that is a sensible person, after all you know where to find them, not hiding in some hamper, somewhere! π xx
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Gets really problematic when they end up clean in a drawer π xx
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Wish mine did that! π xx
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I’ll send distant healing π xx
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Yay! I surely need it. π xx
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I was already missing being sent to the naughty step.
Contrition is good for your walk. Everyone is a sinner, even Mother Teresa. Personally, any sins you have committed…..weren’t in here.
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Bless you, darling Bosco – I do hope others can see what I’ve always seen – a follower of Christ running the race π xx
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Gods speed to you good sister. I am a follower, allbe it a poor example.
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Bless you, darling Bosco – you’re such a good thing. Yes, we’re all miserable sinners, and if we weren’t then Christ would not have died and risen again to save us.
We need to remember that it is Christ who saves us.
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Bosco – I thought there was a general consensus that you needed a good exorcism. Rob thought that they shouldn’t tell you about it unless they were sure beforehand that the exorcism would work, because the information that you were possessed of something nasty might discourage you a little.
I’m wondering how this worked out for you. Did you get exorcised? Did David Mornier-Williams do the job for you? Did you have a wacky session with him where he got you to stick your arms out and pretend you were a triangle? If so, what was it like?
I’m enjoying the love-in, by the way.
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You are so naughty Jock. Bosco’s a darling and just misunderstood really. I’ve always fought for him to stay here – as I do everyone. We all come to Him by whatever Grace we are given – no idea why some of us are drawn x way or y way – but no intention of making a fetish out of a church – but if some want to, it’s freedom hall here – except when my north German redhead temper gets me π xx
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Good brother Jock needs to get on the naughty step.
Yes, I formed a triangle and the Devil left me. He didn’t want to go. He says im the best man on his team.
True, many here have called for my head on a platter. They say I repeat the same things all the time. I don’t have another message. My message doesn’t change everytime a new spiritual leader takes over. My shepherd is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
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By the way, im sadden and hurt that my all time piano hero Keith Emerson shot himself in the head a couple of day ago here at his home in Santa Monica calif. Robin Williams hung himself just up the coast a little while ago.
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It’s so sad when people feel they have no choice but to kill themselves – may God have mercy on their souls.
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I have always seen that in you, Bosco. Surely, sometimes the naughty step has beckoned, but you have Christ in you – I can see that π xx
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Bosco – you do often seem fixated on the ‘bad stuff’ – and you seem to enjoy it, which isn’t a very good witness.
But I was much more alarmed by the others who thought that exorcism seemed like a good idea. On the one hand, I thought the approach to David Mornier-Williams was correct, because what he was pedalling looked to me like dangerous Satanic nonsense. On the other hand, I couldn’t understand why there was a general consensus about it, because what he was doing didn’t seem any different (and certainly no worse) than the general theory of ‘exorcism’ around here.
I found Rob’s contribution to that discussion to be particularly alarming and gave me particular cause for concern. I thought it a piece of particularly high-handed sanctimonious nonsense; you have a spiritual A-team of wiser and better people who can diagnose that someone is possessed of an evil spirit and, in exactly the same way as the Stasi used to keep secret files on people, they decide that it’s ill-advised to inform the individual if they don’t think that their attempts at exorcism will be blessed by God. I would be extremely wary of the elders of a church where there was the slightest hint of that sort of attitude.
I found DMW alarming and I thought he got what he deserved, but he was no worse than anybody else around here advocating exorcism.
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You doggone rite im tickeled pink at all the news about religious clergymen.
And yes David Monier is chief amongst devout cathols.
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Jock I canβt remember my contribution to that discussion however possession is an entirely non β scriptural term and in my view totally inappropriate when applied to Bosco!
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True – you were leaping to Bosco’s defence against those darned fiends who thought he needed an exorcist. So far so good – but what I found utterly wacky was what followed, your reprimand; pointing out that even if you think this, you shouldn’t point it out to the victim, because that would be unhelpful. You went on to give some sort of ‘general theory’ on the approach to wacky things that goes on among the Pentecostalists.
I don’t have the precise co-ordinates either and I’m not prepared to trawl through all the back pages to find it. It came at roughly the same point as you outlined a wacky theory about ‘food miracles’ (you know, the ones which were specifically directed at Jesus showing who he was, the true bread of life that came down from heaven, which seems to happen all the time among your people).
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I have only heard about a three food multiplication miracles one in Mozambique through the Iris mission and one many years ago in Mexico with a Catholic priest working with people living on the city dump. Personally I believed both of these reports. The third report by a Pentecostal guy I thought was completely bogus.
I can criticise you for avoiding churches that practice what you call exorcism, itβs the safe option in an environment where plenty of wacky stuff goes on.
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……. it’s the safe option and it is also the correct option.
As far as signs and wonders go, I don’t dispute that they can happen (after all, God can do whatever He wants) or that they probably do happen. They are, however, always a sign of spiritual weakness rather than a sign of spiritual strength. Take the example where Jesus calmed the waters. Could it be that His intention was that the disciples prove their faith by trusting in him to see them safely through the storm? Could it be that the miracle of calming the storm was necessary due to their lack of faith? Certainly, in the Acts, Paul shows his great faith during the storm, assuring them that they will all survive (and they do).
I consider ‘exorcism’ to be extremely damaging. I dislike it, because I believe that, fundamentally, it is exactly what David Mornier-Williams was up to – only called something different. A couple of years ago, there was somebody by the name of Nicholas who commented on this blog, who seemed extremely keen on the subject and wondered why Protestant churches didn’t do more about it. Later, he mentioned in a comment that he was undergoing psychotherapy to deal with childhood issues. There are therefore no prizes for guessing why he thought that ‘exorcism’ was a good thing – and in his case it would have been much better if he could have simply ‘manned up’, seen what the Good Lord had already done for him, accepted the thorns in the flesh that He had left and simply accepted it and got on with Christian living.
The whole business is extremely damaging to weak people who feel that they need it. More importantly, you have to wonder about the psychological problems of those who feel that God is using them as exorcists. I noted particularly that Gareth Thomas mentioned a specific prayer that exists (which, of course, does not come from Holy Scripture) for purposes of exorcism, which he couldn’t give us, because apparently only priests are allowed to use it.
You’re right that I wouldn’t go to a church which practised what I call exorcism. Sunday is supposed to be a day of Spiritual rest and peace. If I went to such a church, I would be forced into a position where I would have to tell people that they were wrong, what they were doing was not from God (and hence was from the devil himself). This would have the effect of raising my blood pressure, I would have to spend an hour and a half in an environment where I really felt that I was together with the Prophets of Baal and would therefore not be conducive to the Spiritual rest which I seek on a Sunday.
I do know what I’m talking about – I have attended Pentecostalist services, where they do everything that Paul not only said we shouldn’t do, but couldn’t believe that he had to write it, in 1 Corinthians.
Your rational and soft-spoken tones on this blog do not even begin to convey what a Pentecostalist church service is actually like. It is quite the opposite.
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Thank goodness!!!
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Thank you π xx
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Well said, Jessica. Btw, the Eastern Lent just started, yesterday, so not all of us are knocking on the door of Pascha. π Also, in the spirit of forgiveness, this past Sunday, we had my favorite service of the year in the Orthodox Church: Forgiveness Vespers. We stand in two lines, all of the parishioners, facing each other. And at the appointed time we bow to our fellow parishioner, moving into a deep metania or full prostration depending on oneβs physical abilities, and we ask for forgiveness, βForgive me, a sinner.β We are offered forgiveness, βGod forgives and I forgive.” We are asked the same, βForgive me, a sinner.β We offer the same, βGod forgives and I forgive.β
We do this again and again, moving from one parishioner to another until at last we have asked for, given, and received forgiveness from every parishioner. It is both lovely and overwhelming, asking and receiving forgiveness is a powerful thing.
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That sounds lovely – what a very good idea – a holy and an edifying Lent to you and all Orthodox Christians who read this.
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We also exchange a kiss left/right/left with every parishioner which seals the forgiveness. So it is all very intimate and spiritually refreshing.
Thank you very much.
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Good. I knew from your email that everything would be OK, so I just look in now to give you support. I will however resume silence on tjis blog until after Easter Sunday. I wrote those articles on Clare’s letters as part of a Lent plan which for me is still working and I will keep that focus.
I will be with the Colettines in Wales soon: they were so delighted with your pieces and with mine, but I am glad only one of the sisters has access to the internet after what happened here!
For any who may be interested: the plan to purchase a cheap broken down property in the mountains as a hermitage fell through yesterday. I return to prayer, not discouraged but assured that was not the place I am meant to be, and encouraged by the new parish priest of Finestrat. I shall continue to search for a poor place to be with my God and his donkeys.
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Sorry the plans fell through – hope something else will emerge.
yes, all very unfortunate, but perhaps we just needed a catharsis – seems OK here now π xx
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I’m thinking about doing on my blog, or it would great if this blog would do it, a video podcast on google+, would anyone be interested? I’m just gauging interest at this point. I’ll post this comment on a newer blog post so everyone can see it.
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I would certainly be interested π xx
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I certainly agree with all, great! Jessica, by all means go dancing. Now, don’t wait! Just tell NEO when you want to go and he will fly across the pond to be your knight! And we all may be on that same plane.
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Ah, what a galant group of knights you all are π xx
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Breaking News;
Congress has approve the use of the word Genocide against ISIS for killing Christians.
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Good – quite right too – now I hope someone will do something.
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About loving one another …
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/03/15/mother_teresa_of_calcutta_conversation_with_msgr_maasburg/1195237
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Thank you π
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Well just got back in and caught up with this post after a busy day and an evening meal out.
As all have expressed in the comments I am also very glad you are back among us Jess. I look forward to continuing here and your valuable and thought provoking contributions.
The asking and receiving of forgiveness from one another is a means by which we grow into a deeper fellowship and if any relationship is to prove of value over the long term such will prove necessary. This is a good place to practice the art which you have demonstrated in this post.
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Thank you so much Rob – for this, and for all your contributions π xx
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