C’s piece yesterday interested me greatly. As a Christian who spent his working life in education (secondary) and even taught RE (as it was then called). I’ve a deal of sympathy for anyone trying to do it, and I shared some thoughts with him, which he’s suggested I do more widely here.
The biggest difference between the start of my career in teaching (1967/8) and the end six years ago, was what educationalists call the ‘cultural capital’ pupils brought to school in respect of Christianity. As I started my career on what was then not called Merseyside, it might well be that because of a large number of Catholics of Irish descent, what I encountered by atypical, but since it tended to be the same with the more numerous Protestants, I think not. On the whole they knew the basics. No one had to explain what Easter was about, or tell them it wasn’t about a ‘bunny rabbit’; by the end that was necessary. No one had to tell them who Jesus was, although we might have had to tell them about how to understand some of the things they had read in the Bible – and they all had a Bible at home. Many of them were occasional church goers, some regular, but they were all part of a broadly Christian culture, however diluted in parts. This was reinforced by social norms. No one back then was arguing that marriage meant other than what it had always meant, or that to call children boys and girls was some sort of prejudiced comment which discriminated against the ‘genderfluid’. Shops were shut on a Sunday, which felt very different to the rest of the week; indeed, most shops closed on a Saturday lunch hour. This made teaching RE easier, as we were largely dealing with Christianity and in filling in the gaps in their knowledge – which admittedly were often quite large.
That changed across time. By the mid 1980s I was not the only teacher at my new school, which was in God’s own country of Yorkshire – who noticed that we could not assume any longer that the children would know what we meant when we talked about ‘Anglican’ or “Catholic’. Church seemed a foreign place to many. Our lessons seemed suddenly to require us to do more of what had always been a small part of them – comparative religion. I was never sure that, knowing little about the faith of their own country, the children got very much out of superficial thumb-nail sketches of what Sikhism was, but with the advent of a national curriculum, even public schools felt an obligation to steer in that direction, not least because that was where the public examinations syllabi were all going.
There was a point at which RE lessons became ‘Personal and Social Education’, and seemed to be about ethics – abortion rights, contraception rights, that sort of ethics – sex and ‘finding yourself’. A generation which on the whole, by the 1990s, knew very little about Christianity, was deliberately not taught anything, at least on the whole. I recall saying this at a staff meeting and being told that was the job of church schools and Sunday schools; the colleague had a point, not as good as he’d imagined, as in my view knowledge of Christianity was necessary to study Shakespeare and much English literature, as well as to understand our history, but of course, what he didn’t know was the extent to which the churches were failing to do this.
I wish C and his diocese well in their efforts. They are brave to set out to sea in the current stormy weather, and I shall pray for their good success – they’ll need it.
I am glad you were willing to share this more widely. I found what you said in your email fascinating, and I think it is part of a wider failure by the churches to do anything to reverse this decline in religious literacy.
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I’m glad it was of interest 🙂
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Good observations, Geoffrey. As a member of the hip generation . . . here is my nickels worth:
It isn’t unusual to find a younger generation rebelling against the social norms of their parents though it is unusual that the younger generation largely did not ‘grow out’ of their rebelliousness and even stranger still that the parents themselves softened their views on ethics along with many other societal norms. Sex, drugs and rock and roll changed the world and they were codified and strengthened by the sciences of psychology, pharmacology and behavioral studies. It seemed that the ‘kids’ knew better than the adults; for the adults became indifferent to the changes that were taking place.
In our churches, this indifferentism, led to a morality of ‘live and let live,’ ‘relativistic truths.’ and ‘if it doesn’t hurt somebody or is consensual conduct, it is OK.’ This is largely unchanged and has entrenched itself in our pandering to gender neutral language, multiculturalism, demonizing of the past, disregard for history and the arrogance of modernity to renew the face of the Earth into some kind of utopia. It isn’t working and hate speech laws, legalization of drugs, same sex marriages, welfare and reducing our carbon footprints will not bring about this progressive paradise of which they dream.
Good luck indeed to C, for it is like trying to swim toward a boat against a tsunami. But we do have to try and we do have to start somewhere.
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I agree entirely with you. As I said to C in the email of which this is an adaptation, a combination of Christianity’s enemies and, even worse, some Christians who seemed to think that somehow they could ally with them and produce something good, has helped produce this situation.
My former colleague might have had something right IF the churches had actually been using their own education system to promote orthodox Christian faith – they seem to me to have done everything but!
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That’s the truth! The Catholics, threw out the ‘old worn-out Mass’ rewrote the Bible in gender neutral language (American Bible), replaced that musty old Gregorian Chant with folk songs and upbeat ditties and taught social sins rather than personal sins. So we have what we have: a modernist society and to a large extent modernist Christian churches.
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Worked out well all that!
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Very interesting, indeed Geoffrey. I’m just about enough younger that I could have had you for a teacher in high school (would that I had!). In any case, in my experience here, the question was not if one were Christian, but what church? Not that any of us took it very seriously, after all, there was beer and girls to worry about not to mention sports.
In any case, where I went there was not a smidgen of RE in schools, that was the domain of the churches, and the quality of instruction varied widely, Catholics and Baptists likely did it best, and the rest of us straggled along. But, American public institutions were, as always, specifically secular. This is about the time when their decline began, BTW, and even early it was noticeable.
I think it was 1967, when dad asked me out of the blue (although, obviously he knew my interests) if I wanted to change and go to military school. I said no, looking back, it was likely a mistake, but he never pressed, it was very much my decision, but the one he, and I, both had in mind, would have given me the well-taught courses I needed to do what I wanted to do. Live and learn, although a bit late.
Here, ethics were mostly learned informally on the playing fields, or in phys ed, taught mostly by the coaches, and the point was winning, mostly within the rules, and good sportsmanship, which translated quite well. It was health classes that degenerated into sex education, and healthy living and why you should wash go hang. Sex education, like the million generations ahead of us, I suspect we could have figured out for ourselves! 🙂
Very useful post over all, and I think it limns the decline of our civilization quite well. I too think C’s bishop is mounting a very brave effort, and I hope they will be rewarded appropriately, and that it will spread widely, both there and here.
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Interesting. I started teaching in ’67 full time, and the children ‘sort of knew’ about the Bible and Christianity. There was enough in the culture at large for things to filter through. At some point that stopped being so, and there was nothing. It’s hard to evangelise from nothing – especially when allied to that ‘nothing’ is a suspicion of Christianity.
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Very hard indeed. Then again, that is how we started, hard to be more suspicious of Christianity than Rome was. And if our church ‘leaders’ would teach what we have always believed, they would find an antidote to many of our problems, not excluding Islamic terrorists.
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Very true – but our problem now is the residue of deep suspicion of Christianity, which is a real rock in the way.
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I agree, from what I read. Here it is also true in our elites, but amongst the general population, not so much. I find it interesting, at least, that Cruz’s first words, in his victory speech were to give glory to God. Somehow, while being a secular country, we have remained pretty much a Christian one as well. Luther had much to say about “the two kingdoms” and Tom Jefferson and James Madison listened well, and attributed much to him. I’ve said before that I think much of Europe’s problem is the established churches, especially as the ruling classes have moved from Christianity.
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As you know, we agree there. I want the state to stay out of my business – hold the ring by all means, but I don’t want to sacralise it, because it always goes the other way!
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Concur! and yes, I do know you agree, a reasonable conclusion, based on evidence, in my view! 🙂
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When I think of the religious ignorance that pervades even people in their early twenties today, I shudder, I quake. And we wonder why so many men fail as fathers? Spiritually untethered, they have cut off a key role of fatherhood which is theological guidance.
In the Reactionary State, education ought to proceed with children at a very young age, between 4 and 9 perhaps, relegating not a full week to instruction by the Church in matters of basic theology, history, geography, reading, writing, and arithmetic, supplemented by parental education in the general matters of life. After this, boys should begin to learn their father’s trade, with academies of the trade where necessary, and girls should learn homemaking from their mothers (with textile and medical work if the family features this as part of its economy).
The system we have now produces laymen of all subjects and masters of none, with virtually no common sense or general awareness of the world around them. This is the rule, with a minority of exceptions. It is no wonder that so many do not continue on to college after the needlessly expansive curriculum of high school, now often concerned more with pseudoscience and social theory than skills.
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Half our problem is we have become a secularised culture, and the other half is that at some point educationalists (all of whom without exception should be turned out into the fields to do an honest day’s work for once) said ‘vocationality’ was what mattered. Now no one has any idea what jobs will exist in 15 years time, the old fashioned educating children to be able to think would actually be a much better preparation than asking them which of 15 ‘genders’ they ‘identify with’!
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Bingo! I would only add that I think that as we have urbanized, we have lost touch with reality. The old joke is true, if you ask many where milk comes from, the answer will be the store (and chocolate milk from brown cows, of course). Vocational training, or gardening for that matter, teaches amongst other things cause and effect, if you do the right thing, you usually get the right result, if you don’t you don’t.
Your point on jobs is well taken, but a caveat. I just saw a study that a majority of British (what we call) high school graduates are effectively both illiterate and innumerate. And university graduates not all that much better (with obvious exceptions). If that is right, there is no point in talking about jobs, all they are qualified for is to be “hewers of wood and drawers of water”. And yes, America is no better. Those jobs are pretty rare these days. If you want to know why America and Britain are ‘post-industrial societies, add the unions (mostly) and you have your answer. It is almost impossible to find an electrician today that understands why he does what he does, or is able to think and troubleshoot, all he can do is follow the plan, right or wrong, and watch the pretty smoke.
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The problem is they aren’t qualified for anything except to know ‘their rights’. There’s a reason children from the private sector are now so prominent in British public life – they have had a real education – and if we hadn’t given it them, those paying for it would have given us what for. But when it is free, it is the providers who decide what to deliver – and most of them are liberal loonies 🙂
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True enough. Here through high school is all ‘free’, actually very expensive in terms of taxation, but it is worth about what anything free is. And our loons must have learned (if they can learn anything) from yours, Lord help us all!
That goes to why I probably should have gone to that military school, it had a wonderful pre-engineering/math curriculum, my HS, to be charitable, didn’t.
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I think that is likely to have been so – there are some areas, that and medicine and engineering where treating facts as though they were relative is fatal 🙂
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Not to mention, not career enhancing! 🙂
And I wanted engineering quite badly, and strangely I now do a fair amount of it. But then, my BIL (a CE) nailed it when he said, You can do the work, but not likely make it through school.
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Geoffrey, good post and discussion.
It is written that C. S. Lewis was an atheist until he read G. K. Chesterton’s “The Everlasting Man.” So we never know what or how one comes to conversion, but the Holy Spirit is always at work so we all have a chance.
But, as you say it’s getting much harder. Dave & I had a man show up at our inquiry class who had no religious training, had not read the bible, knew no prayers, but wanted to enhance his resume with church membership. Where to begin?
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If you remember, after everyone left that class we grabbed him and thought the best place to start would be by praying the Lord’s Prayer together: as that would at least give us some points of agreement or disagreement in our understanding of the words. Sadly, he never had heard of the Lord’s Prayer and we never saw him again.
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Sad indeed.
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