We all argue with God in some manner whether it is a matter of internal argument within our conscience or publicly in regards to what He said, meant or omitted. At the least this is our fallback position when confronted with those Truths that are etched upon our souls; for they are not unreadable and yet we tend to make them decipherable in accordance to our desires and temperament.
These truths are often covered with the dust of our neglect and the grime of our sins. Yet at a deeper level, we all know they exist and we all know that we are fighting against an objective reality that is unbending though it remains but a gentle, nagging, lingering doubt pushed aside and thrust downward; but it seems always able to emerge in some small annoying way to disturb the soul’s tranquility.
Sin is said to be a turning of oneself from the face of God; from His still small voice or His clear commands as given us by the Grace of His Incarnate Son, Jesus Christ, Who walked among us. But one wonders about the nature of sin itself and why we would be enticed by its lure; for we know what is right and what is wrong at a deeper level; within the very root of our consciousness. Why would Adam and Eve ever sin against their Creator (or us for that matter) and why would God allow evil to pervade His Creation and do its best to destroy what He made by His Holy Will? It is called the Mystery of Iniquity but it does not mean that we are wholly ignorant about its origin or its usefulness.
Sin is useful? Yes, of course. One cannot love or appreciate that which is good without experiencing evil. The same thing can be said about any quality or substance that is known. We know more about a thing when we see its corruption or its opposite side: love as opposed to hate, good as opposed to evil, joy as opposed to despair, peace as opposed to war. So without these contrary qualities or states we know not what great delight we should take in the Good God and all that He has accomplished for us. We ourselves, without the presence of sin nor the ability to choose or reject one quality or state from another, would be nothing more than robots whose lives would be comfortable or tranquil, but bereft of any true happiness or joy: for we did not choose the good over the evil, the ordered over the disordered or the beautiful over the ugly. It seems that a freewill choice for God and to return His Love freely is a gift that we appreciate far too little. It is divine in its essence for it takes us from the contentment of the household pet to the joy of an active family member.
This trial, this time of awakening to the joys that God intends, for these souls He has created for Himself, is the final phase of the Creation process which God has allowed us to fully participate in by utilizing His Guidance and Grace. The purpose seems to infinitely increase our enjoyment and make perfect our joy in Him and to rejoice in His Love for us. This is seemingly the reason that we live in a moral universe; a universe of choices that must constantly be made between short term, transitory delights of the flesh or mind, and an active and everlasting joy that will continue eternally. Only after this choice is one capable of realizing all that God has in store for those who love Him. Only then, is it possible for God to remove the other side of the coin that we freely rejected and live with the side of the coin that we chose without further temptation. For we have made our ‘forever’ choice and our will is now His Will and not corrupted with half-hearted choices nor the struggles with worldly pleasures and temptations. We enjoy the beatitude of God without distraction as do all the Saints.
Falling into sin is not the same thing as being an evil person; for even David and Moses were guilty of murder but were not evil. It is an important distinction to be made. An evil person is one who tries to willfully sell sin for righteousness and/or good for evil: they tempt, they convince with false logic and they corrupt the scriptures right along with that still small voice in the depth of the soul.
So arguing with God is normal up to a point. It is our wrestling with the temptations of the world, the flesh and the devil. But there comes a time in our lives where one must put away foolish things and look reality square in the face. Is there anything here that I desire or am unwilling to give up for the greater good? For if there is something comparable to the promises of Christ, then we have certainly lost not only our faith, but our hope and love of God (and our fellow men for the Love of God), as well. Let not the love of sin change us into purveyors of evil.
The Good Lord saw fit to bring some souls into this world in sickness and suffering, some into wealth and well-being. Some were born into hunger and strife while others were born into privileged circumstances. Some are plagued with lust and desires and others wrestle with greed and creature comforts. But whatever the inequalities we were born with or circumstances into which we were placed, they are more than made up for by Christ’s suffering on the Cross and His Saving Grace which is for everyone, regardless of birth or circumstance.
It is a Christian principle that those who have more should share more of their time, their money and their labor. It is also a Christian principle that those who are at the bottom not demand an end to their poverty or suffering but show gratitude for that which is given in love for their benefit. It is also a principle that nothing that God has demanded from every soul in this life is impossible for anyone. For this is the nature of humility and humility is within the grasp of all souls; the lens through which objective reality needs to be viewed. With both humility and love, we might hear God speaking to us as He did to St. Paul: “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness.” For it seems to me that those who have been afflicted least in this life may well require the most prayer. “From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded.”
So do any of us have a reason to question our Lord concerning our state? Do we wish to argue with God even on our deathbed? Or perhaps, we might give thanks for receiving a free gift that returns us to our original innocence . . . a gift that we neither deserve nor could merit on our own. Repent and believe in Him or argue and deny Him. The choice is ours.
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ginnyfree said:
Actually Dave, I saw that this folly was my folly over 25 years ago. I didn’t really know that is what I was doing then, but I was. My arguments were born of a deep hurt and a sense of injustice that prevented me from seeing easily what others said about God. But in my soul I knew I needed Him. It was a real struggle between my experiential knowledge and what others were living. As soon as I saw that I was indeed arguing with God, I ceased and actually started listening because I knew arguing wasn’t going to get me anywhere with God and in fact could devastate my nascent relationship with Him. I didn’t want that! So I simply shut up and listened for the still small voice inside. He was there, but it was only a whisper. In a few years I heard Him shout and I jumped up off my knees and got myself to the Church on time! “Yes Sir!” I can remember it as if it were yesterday! Really. I did what He wanted and that was that. RCIA came next and I began arguing FOR God instead of against kinda naturally. Problem was it was cradle Catholics who were arguing against Him. Oh dear. Oh well. Too bad. I think you can guess where this is going Dave, but I’ve been defending the Church from even before I got out of RCIA. Doing so nearly cost my Baptism because Sister Dolly thought she should be a priest as did her whole RCIA team! I didn’t and said so. They didn’t like me. God won. Next. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Dave Smith said:
Well, I for one, am glad you made the choice you did, Ginny.
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ginnyfree said:
So is Jesus. It was like the guy who wrestled with the Angel all night only mine wrestling match wasn’t just a night long, but a few years. Never wanna go thru that again and I really do feel for those who are in conversion. It gets intense. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Dave Smith said:
It does, and the decision itself is fraught with fear quite often.
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Bosco the Great said:
I really do feel for those who are in conversion. It gets intense.
Conversion to what?
Being born again by the Holy Spirit is in the twinkling of an eye. No classes to take.
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JessicaHof said:
Good thoughts here, dear friend, thank you for them. It shows the importance of a properly-formed conscience, because this ought to be aboriginal voice of God (as Newman called it) within us, and if we are deformed, we don’t get it – this is what proper catechetical education is so vital – that’s my two pennyworth anyway 🙂 xx
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Dave Smith said:
It is indeed, my friend, as is finding time to dwell in solitude with God. Much can be righted by simply disconnecting ourselves from the noise and distractions of life. 🙂 xx
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Steve Brown said:
There will be plenty of time to do such, but after the Super Bowl! And the primaries and the general election and the current posting at AATW and …
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NEO said:
Hey, I resemble that remark! 🙂 But I suspect you know if we don’t consciously make time for it, we will never get it done. We really shouldn’t let the press of events, which in comparison, are rather minor, endanger our soul. Not that we don’t all do it, more often than not!
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Steve Brown said:
NEO, I agree. But, please Lord have mercy, I’ve got 7+ hours of playoff games to watch today! I’m hoping that Manning will be able to put together 2 more games in a great career. Also pulling for Carolina. What about you?
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ginnyfree said:
Geeze. & plus hours? Have you got enough dip and buffalo wings? Come up for air often and have a blast. maybe even the best teams will win??? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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NEO said:
Nobody in particular, really. One of those years for me! 🙂
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Steve Brown said:
Ginny, yes, I hope the best teams win. I’m going over to Dave’s to watch, so I hope he is listening to you about the food.
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Dave Smith said:
I put the bill on your credit card . . . hope you don’t mind.
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Dave Smith said:
Well, God wants us to pull for the Carolina Panthers . . . I hear He is a fan.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
He would never abandon the Cardinals.
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Dave Smith said:
That’s what the Saints said . . . but they’re no longer in the mix. 🙂
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Your opinion is for the birds!
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Dave Smith said:
I wonder if God is more partial to a bird, a horse, a big cat or a bunch of men in wigs carrying muskets?
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
It was God who said, “A bird in the hand is worth two cats in the bush.”
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Dave Smith said:
That’s a horse of a different color, David.
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Dave Smith said:
Besides, I thought He said “A bird in the hand is worth two birds in a burning bush.” Best hope the Cardinals are not in the proverbial bush.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
As they say in Boston, you’ve put caaat before the horse!
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Dave Smith said:
I think that was a cah paact in hahvehd yahd. Well, cats do have 9 lives they say, and birds usually don’t stand a chance against a cat on the prowl. Although a horse is known for its being fleet of foot and the patriots are known for their love of macaroni . . . if they are true Yankee Doodle Dandies. It’ll be a hard one to predict given their different pros and cons.
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Dave Smith said:
But speaking as a Catholic, David, I don’t think you should be discounting the Cardinal sins.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Even Cardinal sins are forgiven.
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Dave Smith said:
That is what the Cat a Chism teaches.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
All that Cardinals need to remember is that, “Birds of a feather flock together.”
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Dave Smith said:
Easier to hit a few with a shotgun.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Beware the, “Hail Mary!”
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Dave Smith said:
I think you are forgetting the Immaculate Reception.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
You mean the Immaculate Interception!
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Dave Smith said:
Please update me on the score, David.
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Dave Smith said:
Well, it seems that you are right. Carolina has had a bunch of Immaculate Interceptions this game. 🙂
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Sad to say looks like we’re going to eat a plate of crow.
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Dave Smith said:
Crow isn’t so bad if you if you roast it with garlic.
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Jock McSporran said:
You have 7+ hours of play-off games to watch on a SUNDAY? And you call yourself a Christian?
What ever happened to the Sabbath Rest?
I have never heard of Christians spending Sunday in such a way.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Jock the Scot, please help us here with a definition of how you define a Christian Sunday. Please expound, so we may more fully understand what you do, or not, for entertainment, including things like alcohol, card playing, smoking, dancing, gambling etc. well you get the general idea.
The only thing we gather at present, erroneously I sure, is that you belong to a strict form of Scottish Presbyterianism of unknown number.
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Jock McSporran said:
My Sunday – by David Monier-Williams
As a good Catholic, I profoundly believe in a Sabbath Rest. It tends to start on Saturday evening, when I exchange shots with my dear friend Bosco between shots of Jack Daniels – so by the time Sunday morning comes, I’m a bit worse for wear. This is an excellent preparation for the Lord’s day.
Mass is at 11 and I tend to stumble out of bed shortly before that – just enough time to get a cup of strong black coffee over the back of the throat and put some clothes on. I like to look dapper for mass, because you never know; there may be some nice young ladies there.
The ten minute homily is such a strain for my poor attention span. It is nine minutes and thirty seconds too long. My dear friend Bosco once heard a homily which took 30 seconds, from an attractive young girl, who told him that Jesus wanted to get to know him personally. It resulted in a life-changing transformation. I wish they would allow women to give the homily in our church, because listening for 10 minutes to men in drag is, well, such a drag.
The high point is, of course, the Eucharist, where I’m thirsting for the blood of Christ, particularly because it is 90 percent proof. Usually, I try to take a good swig of it, before a mass servant has to pull it away. Our Eucharist wine is powerful stuff; my friend Bosco always says, ‘ask Jesus to reveal himself to you’ and I can assure you that I’m full of more than the Holy Spirit after my personal experience at the mass.
The homily has been too much for my attention span, so when I reach home, I take out two six-packs of Budweiser and retire to my patio – one for pouring over my chest to facilitate the tanning procedure and the other to drink while watching the Superbowl on TV.
In the evening, I finish my Sabbath Rest in the way God intended by going to the smoky Saloon Bar, where I drink shots of Jim Beam while watching the jolie can-can.
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Dave Smith said:
Indeed Jock it is a scandal. I and some other Christians I know actually stop our self-flagellation and remove our hairshirts on Sundays to go to a movie, watch a football game or golf match on the television. Don’t tell anyone . . . its a well kept secret . . . you never heard it from me. 🤐
P.S. Psst, just between you and me, I sometimes actually listen to music and read non-religious books as well. The shame of it all. 😩
Love your sense of humor BTW.
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Jock McSporran said:
Well, Dave,
What you describe is certainly not the tradition that I was brought up with. Tradition can be wrong, but in this case I think the tradition was right.
I think my grandfather only voted once in his lifetime, on a village referendum whether or not to permit the golf course to open on Sundays. He (of course) voted against it.
You give up the Sabbath Rest at your peril. My own view is: I don’t do anything that causes other people work – hence I don’t follow sport that takes place on a Sunday, I don’t go to the movies on a Sunday, I don’t vote in elections that take place on Sunday – I don’t care if they permit me to vote on a different day; I simply don’t participate in an activity which generates so much additional work on Sunday; if their election are on Sunday then they violate God’s Sabbath Rest (in Christian countries, it is the Sunday that has been set aside as the day of rest – and the fact that it is a quiet day is the only reason why they ever imagined using it for elections in the first place).
Surely you can find some way to enjoy yourself on Sunday which doesn’t require people to run a movie theatre, or open a restaurant. Surely you don’t have to take an interest in sportsmen who desecrate the Sabbath by agreeing to participate in competitions on a Sunday.
I haven’t followed golf since 1980; that was the first year that The Open (at Muirfield) had its final day’s play on Sunday and I haven’t followed Wimbledon (or any other tennis) since they started using Sunday for the finals. I stopped following soccer when they started playing on Sunday.
I don’t miss any of these things.
Surely you can make a better effort than you’re currently doing to understand why the Sabbath Rest is so useful and beneficial – and act accordingly, so that, at the very least, if others are working on Sunday, you are not responsible for it?
I’d expect David Mornier-Williams to treat the Lord’s creation ordinances with contempt; I’m surprised at you.
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Dave Smith said:
Well the societal differences here in the US are a bit different. We did have state’s rights that prohibited anything from opening that was not essential for life and protection etc. However, the void on Sunday was soon mediated to allow Jewish and non-Christian merchants to sell their goods on Sundays. From there, as our society grew more secular, we saw the laws getting scratched off of the books . . . though we still have what are called ‘blue’ laws here in the deep south in many counties. Indeed, I agree it would be nice if Christian folk were not made to work on Sunday . . . in fact I had a job where I took my case all the way to the legal department in NYC because I refused a shift that required me to work on Sunday . . . but according to them (Verizon Wireless) I was the only one who ever brought up such a case. So we have largely lost the battle. I got another job and would not do labor myself on Sunday. But for those who do, I can only assume that they either don’t believe it is important or that they try to set-aside another day where they do not work as their day of rest.
That is interesting thought though. Do you use the computer or your wireless phone on Sunday? Even the old landlines of years gone by would have required folks to run the network. Same, as radio etc. Not too many folk are as stringent as you (or even me . . . though I am far less than you) in what I will or will not do on a Sunday. For me, it is up to the workers to decline to work. It is not the demand . . . for I never demanded services . . . they were simply always there. But I will not personally work on Sunday though I did before I became a devout Catholic. I think you have to cut people a little bit of slack in how they live their lives as best they can in accord with the societies we now live in.
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Jock McSporran said:
Dave – I think that we, as Christians, have ‘sold’ this very wrongly and very badly. It is, after all, a creation ordinance which is supposed to be good for us.
For example – my mother in law (staunch Catholic) is bored out of her skull on Sundays. She won’t allow herself to do anything at all, not even her knitting.
My grandfather had a somewhat ridiculously legalistic view of the Sabbath Rest – they would all be in their fishing boat in the harbour, dressed and ready to go, waiting for the clock to strike 12 midnight and they would start the engines precisely at midnight on the dot.
(The scene in the movie ‘Whisky Galore’ where they can’t save the whisky, because the clock has just chimed midnight on Saturday evening – and they have to wait until midnight on Sunday evening before going out is highly entertaining, but it isn’t a distortion of the truth – that’s what the community was like).
If we could somehow make clear the positive benefits of the whole of society taking a day of rest at the same time, so the whole of society was quiet on one day (it’s really not the same if I elect to take one day off with a lot of noise going on around me).
I’m pretty sure that it isn’t good for people to work hard during the week and then do a hectic shopping trip to the supermarket or Ikea (as many people do) on a Sunday. There must be a lot of stress-related illness because of this.
I’m sure that there are plenty of ways for people to enjoy themselves and knock off work, which don’t involve going to shops, restaurants, pubs or movies on a Sunday and which don’t involve supporting sports stars who are making their millions playing on Sunday.
The creation ordinance was for everybody (not just Christians) and it seems to me that if we tried presenting it in the right way (I haven’t really seen this) then we might (God willing) succeed.
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Dave Smith said:
I would largely agree if it weren’t completely unworkable in modern society. We are a country that is continually on the move: we are on the roads traveling, staying in motels as we visit places via all sorts of transportation. Motels, gas stations, restaurants are going to be needed to help those that do not have a home or are far from their homes. We sometimes don’t have time to read a newspaper except on Sunday . . . and yet those very papers were being printed early in the morning and transported and finally delivered to us as well. I don’t think that we can start envoking a staunch pharisaical understandng of the law for even Christ had to warn us: “The sabbath was made for humankind, and not humankind for the sabbath,”
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Jock McSporran said:
What I’m wondering (of course) – is there a ‘non-pharisaical’ way of understanding the ‘Sabbath Rest’. That is, we want something which does the job (i.e. it means that people really do get a proper rest) and respects that the Sabbath is made for man (humankind) and not the other way around.
The whole point is that the Sabbath Rest is good for people.
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Dave Smith said:
O I agree, as I stated before, Jock. It is very good for people to have a day of quiet . . . recognizing that the purpose is not rigidly connected to a particular day or we would still be celebrating the Sabbath on Saturday. It is the spirit of the law that needs to be preserved and yes, Sunday for most of us seems the perfect time since many of us do not worship God except on Sunday. It is time for family and God. But then moms always had it rough . . . they didn’t get a day off from cooking or taking care of the little ones. But we can ardently try to find those times during our week that we can pray and find quiet and repose in God . . . and seek time for relaxation with our families. It is very good to do this.
That said, it is up to the individual to try to make this work in a way that they are capable of without causing undue disruption . . . for me: I dug my heels in and refused to work on Sunday. For others, obviously, it didn’t matter to them. But it is important. If they will actually keep the principle alive on their own days off . . . then it would certainly be of benefit no matter what day of the week it falls. At least that is how I see it. Sunday isn’t somehow going to work for everyone . . . it isn’t magical in and of itself. One must look to the reason or the need of this Sabbath rest.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
I asked a civil question, Jock, and expected a civil answer. Your reply ignorant and offensive.
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JessicaHof said:
Yes, there is a great deal in that. Modern life is a conspiracy against silence I sometimes think 🙂 xx
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Dave Smith said:
Satan is a noise maker. 🙂 xx
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Bosco the Great said:
Falling into sin is not the same thing as being an evil person; for even David and Moses were guilty of murder but were not evil
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus….luke 11
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Rob said:
I think it is likely that the people being evil Jesus was referring to were those who rejected His miracle of deliverance and claimed that Jesus cast out demons by Beelzebul v 14 onwards rather than directing this comment at the disciples who had asked Him to teach them about prayer.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good brother, I believe we can separate those two events. jesus was first talking to his disciples, then later he cast out a demon. So yes, Jesus considers all men evil. There is none good. …no not one. Does that clear things up?
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