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Now that my health seems up to doing things without my feeling as though a ten ton truck has hit me after the slightest exertion, I’ve told Chalcedon and Neo that they can stand down from their ‘Saturday Jess’ duties. I’d like to thank them, not least Neo who delved through the back posts to great effect, and also Steve Brown, whose idea it was. I found it interesting to read, because it was almost like reading what someone else had written. They charted an odd trajectory. When I started AATW, a few of the idiots who had trolled me elsewhere tried to post comments saying that it was obvious where it was going – at some point there would be an announcement that I had become a Roman Catholic. As early though, as July of 2012 (only a few months after I started) I set up camp on what I called Mt Nebo – where I’ve remained.
My Anglicanism is of the Catholic variety, and where I worship we kneel at the altar and receive communion on the tongue, we pray the Rosary, and on Thursdays we have an hour’s eucharistic adoration; my priest understands my Marian veneration and shares it. I have not been given the signal to cross the Tiber, and so I remain in Canterbury, fully acknowledging everything we have inherited from the first Roman mission of St Augustine, but also taking on board the older, Celtic Christianity which came here under the Romans, and the insights and gifts of the Reformers. Without George Herbert, John Keble, T.S. Eliot and R.S. Thomas, my life would be infinitely the poorer, and in their lines I trace the spirit which moves the Anglicanism of my heart – and my faith is one of the heart, as well as the head. We pray, and we might expect an answer, after all it is a conversation with God, but sometimes it seems otherwise, as answer comes there none. As a Welsh Anglican, I find it is R.S. Thomas who describes this best for me in his poem, Nuclear:
“It’s not that he can’t speak;
who created languages
but God? Nor that he won’t;
to say that is to imply
malice. It is just that
he doesn’t, or does so at times
when we are not listening, in
ways we have yet to recognise
as speech”
In one of his early poems, the beautiful and moving In a country Church, RST describes perfectly what can happen when you open yourself to that realisation – that God speaks to us in ways we need to become attuned to:
To one kneeling down no word came,
Only the wind’s song, saddening the lips
Of the grave saints, rigid in glass;
Or the dry whisper of unseen wings,
Bats not angels, in the high roof.
Was he balked by silence? He kneeled long,
And saw love in a dark crown
Of thorns blazing, and a winter tree
Golden with fruit of a man’s body.
Who could see love in that broken and battered body on the bloody Cross? Who would have looked to such a place for redemption? Yet that is what God is telling us, that is where we must look, there is no other place.
The best reflection on my own journey as a Christian is this from RST’s Pilgrimages:
It is I
who ask. Was the pilgrimage
I made to come to my own
self, to learn that in times
like these and for one like me
God will never be plain and
out there, but dark rather and
inexplicable, as though he were in here?
The answer God gives to the question of man’s suffering takes the form of the incarnation, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.
And for those who want to her RST reading one of his great poems which says so much about my homeland, here’s a treat.
A lovely post, and all that I dreamed of when I suggested you might like to take Saturday Jess back! I think it may also have something to do with this sudden onset of hiraeth, which seems to be afflicting you, because it nearly gives it to me, dearest friend 🙂 xx
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Thank you, dearest Neo – for this and for everything 🙂 xx I have put one in drafts, as the words are flowing this morning 🙂
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Very welcome, dearest Jess. All I can do for you, is never enough 🙂 xx Off to check, when they flow, they flow!
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They do – but if it good to have an editor 🙂 xx
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It is indeed, as we’ve both found! 🙂 xx
It’s stirring around in my mind, and may well prompt one from me, as well. 🙂
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good 🙂 xx
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Indeed! 🙂 xx
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A very fine post Jessica, and it has prompted one from me on Monday, so thank you 🙂
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I shall very much look forward to it – I owe RST to you after all 🙂 xx
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A gift returned with interest 🙂
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🙂 xx
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O my what a wonderful post! many thanks for the voice of R.S. Thomas
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Thank you Eileen :)xx
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As an exile you have me reminiscing of home.
Listening to God is something I find quite difficult. Knowing the truth of His redemption and love is quite different to hearing those words spoken directly and lovingly to your heart. Although I could recount several remarkable instances of His communication such as a night when both my wife and I had the same dream addressing an issue we were facing. Such times fall short of the constant interaction with the clear voice of the Lord that I yearn for.
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I have written one for Neo’s place on this theme – it isn’t, the silences I mean, something we often speak of here 🙂
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And it, too, is outstanding! here is the link:
https://nebraskaenergyobserver.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/land-of-lost-content/
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So glad you liked it 🙂 xx
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I surely did! 🙂 xx
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🙂 xx
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Hi, if anyone reading this likes RS Thomas then you might be interested in facebook.com/groups/22240849843 share poems, quotes, events, info, Q&A etc;
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Thank you Michael 🙂 xx
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Croeso Jessica, you’re welcome. Diolch for your post, thank you 😊
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Diolch yn fawr Michael 🙂 xx
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A very good post Jess which elicits a need for reflection; and I, of course, am never without a thought or word.
What lies on the other side of the Tiber? For some it was merely an escape from a calamity in their former state of life or religion; a refugee. For others, it is a romantic dream conjured up by the love and depth of the saints and martyrs; the romantic optimists. But the reality is that the Church of Rome is what we bring within ourselves . . . whether we are running away or journeying to a destination. It will never be like what we have imagined; at least externally. Beneath the constant swirl and noise of confusion and in-fighting and disagreements and the checkered past of a Church, scandalized, brutalized, corrupt and always in need of reform, it houses more sinners than saints and most saints came from the ranks of the vilest of men. But internally, the Church is never changing; a rock that firmly holds its ground, an ark that continues toward the destination that Christ but Her on. She travails both smooth seas and tumultuous seas. But our love of Her is borne in our hearts and her beauty comes from the saints and martyrs not from the sinners and failures. For me, if it is anything, it is a sure source of valid and continuing sacraments, a constancy of faith hidden under those doubts that attack their meaning and look for change. But in the depth of our souls the faith as we had romantically fantacized it, can not only be attainable but even far less glorious than what was imagined. It is, in the end, up to us as to where we put our energies. As Christ was a “man of sorrows” and uncomely, so is the Church . . . and yet who would not say that their is not beauty or depth of sprituality in the lifeless, beaten and bloody corpse of the Godman who hangs on the Cross. One must have eyes to see and ears to hear.
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That’s a lovely reflection, and frankly, if my post helped inspire it, then it was more worthwhile than I could have imagined.
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Well, you speak often to my heart for I, like many I suspect, experience my share of melancholy and nostalgia: longing for what has disappeared or never truly was such as primal innocence, carefree youth and then we awake as though from a dream of a child. We discover a world fraught with danger and the seriousness of life which engages the soul with its struggle with sin. Ah, but to return to those more innocent days, bright with hope and dreams. I think it is right that we should pine for such . . . even if it is only to be found in heaven.
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Do have a look at the one I put at Neo’s place – which goes to just that theme – a sense of exile from Eden, here in this valley of tears.
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I did, and was partially that which I was responding to, my dear friend. 🙂
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Ah, good, I am glad you did. It seems to me that it is all a part of the sense of exile from Eden which we carry inside us.
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And probably God’s design for why we are born into innocence . . . a foretaste, of the security and the wonders of heaven. We have natural inclination to regain what was lost . . . but we are offered even more than we can imagine or hope for.
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That is so, dear friend – and we must find that child-like innocence again – not, as some seem to think, childishness 🙂 xx
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Who was it who said that the child is the father of man? I believe it was Wordsworth in Ode to Nature? Anyway, it seems quite right.
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It was, and Blake catches something of it in his Songs of Innocence and Experience – I think sometimes it is best captured in poetry 🙂 xx
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Rightly so as it is not a rational response but a feeling and melancholy just beyond the reach of expression. 🙂
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Dave, there are snow angels on the other side of the Tiber! You should spread the Word! I don’t know if there are snow forts and snowball fights though. Probably not. If there are, you don’t want to be on the other side. God always wins. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I was never a snow angel kid . . . I hate being cold and wet. I think I’ll stick to my guardian angel and all the archangels for the time being. 🙂
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I am wondering if anyone else is experienceing the same problem I have in the reply box this morning. I cannot type the word F I G H T written together without the F being erased. In the replies from others who have written the word it appears as IGHT. I don’t know what is causing that. Any ideas????
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Fight – no, it is OK for me 🙂
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But you used a captial F. That works for me as well. First, first. This is how the non-capitalized word prints.
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Ah, let me see if it fights this? Doesn’t seem to – how odd.
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So it is me, I suppose. On the right hand side, I see that you typed the word and it printed. But on the left hand side where I can reply it has eliminated the “f”.
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How very curious!
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Well, it appears that the word prints out as written but does not display in my reply boxes as written. Very curious, indeed.
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Very odd. Have you signed out of the WordPress and gone back in?
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I don’t think I have ever signed out of WordPress since I signed up. I hope I can remember my password. I’ll try it though.
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Sometimes the poota remembers it – mine did 🙂 xx
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Mine did too. I won’t have to fight it. Nope that didn’t work either . . . in my reply box it says IGHT not FIGHT. No other application is reacting this way. I may try using the methods of reply . . . like the reader or directly in the post itself. It may be that it is only happening in the active reply boxes that I normally use on the far right of the menu bar.
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All very odd!
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Well it only happens in this one area of WordPress apparently. Maybe I am the only one that uses it???
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I use it too, but it doesn’t seem to happen 🙂 xx
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Maybe its an Obama thing as he seems unwilling for America to use the word. 🙂 xx
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Sounds probably 🙂 xx
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Anyway, thanks for your time in letting me sort it out so that I can work around the problem. 🙂 xx
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Maybe it is a bit of dust in your keyboard.
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I dont think so. I have just begun to fight. Nope . . . rebooting did not cure the problem either. Hmmm.
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It’s the snow Dave.
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Yeah but Dave, I was thinking about all the horrors of the last few years in our Church when I got up, and this morning’s Morning Prayer explained it……………Canticle – Deuteronomy 32:1-12
God’s kindness to his people
How often have I longed to gather your children as a hen gathers her brood under her wing. (Matthew 23:37)
Give ear, O heavens, while I speak;
let the earth hearken to the words of my mouth!
May my instruction soak in like the rain,
and my discourse permeate like the dew,
Like a downpour upon the grass,
like a shower upon the crops:
For I will sing the Lord’s renown.
Oh, proclaim the greatness of our God!
The Rock – how faultless are his deeds,
how right all his ways!
A faithful God, without deceit,
how just and upright he is!
Yet basely has he been treated by his degenerate children,
a perverse and crooked race!
Is the Lord to be thus repaid by you,
O stupid and foolish people?
Is he not your father who created you?
Has he not made you and established you?
Think back on the days of old,
reflect on the years of age upon age.
Ask your father and he will inform you,
ask your elders and they will tell you:
When the Most High assigned the nations their heritage,
when he parceled out the descendants of Adam,
He set up the boundaries of the peoples
after the number of the sons of God;
While the Lord’s own portion was Jacob,
His hereditary share was Israel.
He found them in a wilderness,
a wasteland of howling desert.
He shielded them and cared for them,
guarding them as the apple of his eye.
As an eagle incites its nestlings forth
by hovering over its brood,
So he spread his wings to receive them
and bore them up on his pinions.
The Lord alone was their leader,
no strange god was with him.
http://divineoffice.org/ord-w02-sat-mp/?date=20160123
There ya go – learn from the mistakes of others. We’re are in the midst of darkness, yet we are called to be light. He does lift us up above it all, on eagles wings, even as the blows continue to fall.
Do you every pray the Hours Dave? Just wondering. They always seem to be right on target with all that is going on in my life. I wonder how that is, or is it me? Sometimes I find it an affirmation that I am on the right path as my life weaves itself around the trellis of prayer and the Liturgy. Odd but true. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Yes I used to pray them daily . . . now only sporadically. The morning prayer is interesting to me . . . for I did not read it today and yet thought about this as I composed my First reply to Jess. Interesting how that happens. NOTE: I had to use a capital F in FIRST because it immediately defaulted to first. How odd.
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He said “Snow!” and so it did. I heard Him loud and clear! Just got back from Mass. Thank God for snow plows. It was me and one other poor woman and our poor Pastor. We’ve gotten the first foot of the two we’re expecting here where I am. This afternoon is still Confession. I may stay for Vigil. I haven’t made up my mind yet. Father said he’s adding a 5 PM Sunday for those who aren’t shoveled out by the noon one. Very thoughtful of him. Thank You God! I wanted to play with Jesus as the Divine Child and go and make snow angels with Him. Ah well. It is hard to explain, and if I share it you’ll think I’m nuts, but hey most of ya already do anyway. I “play” with God alot. He is out of time, and I’m the one stuck in time. I think of Him as a Child and in my heart we play. It works easily for me this way. “Unless you become like a little child……….” I found a way to do that in my heart. It helps to have a beautiful statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the front of our church holding the Divine Child on top of a globe. Both are crowned and she seems to be offering Him to us as He is – the Divine Child! So, I simply ask Him to come and play with me. What else is there to do when you’re just a Child? Not much till Mom calls You to make water into wine I guess, so we play. It is fun and joyful and even sometimes tearful. So, today I asked God to come with me and make “snow angels” after Mass. For those who’ve never tried just playing with Jesus, I highly recommend it.
Happy snow days if anyone’s lucky enough to have one. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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No I do not think its nuts your imagination and playing with Jesus makes sense to me (much more sense than some of the things we have argued over). I had a close friend who played the same way and frequently dreamt of fooling around with Jesus and the disciples.
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Wish you had some snow of your own Rob. Any luck this winter where you are? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Well I am staying in Tenerife at the moment where we have just bought an apartment to spend part of each year in. Normally there is some snow at this time of year on the slopes of Mount Teide (The highest point in Spain) which is about 3500 m above sea level. But this year there the little snow that fell in October has melted – we may get some more before the winter is out.
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Well then, if you hike it up the mountain, you can make snow angels too. Life’s a Beach! You could try inviting Jesus to a day on the beach and make sand castles. Just a thought. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Ginny I will seriously give it a go and think that is about the best suggestion you have given me.
The friend I spoke of used to travel away from home a lot preaching and each night he would cuddle his pillow and say good night to Jesus. He was a remarkably guy, died some years ago and I miss him a lot – perhaps someday I will recount something of his experiences with the Lord and the times I spent with him.
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That’s a lovely thought ginny – and yes, sometimes we can just play, and play is so healing – sometimes the simpler way is the best one.
Hope you don’t get all snowed in and that you can go play snow angels – which is a gorgeous idea 🙂
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Yeah, but snow angels with God is no where near the topic is it? Yours is of a more somber tone. But beautiful just the same. Nice poems. You’ve good taste in poetry Jess.
Oh and before C plasters it all of AATWT, what say you about healing miracle (hopefully) number 2 for John Henry? Both of the ones that the CDF is accepting are here in the good ole U S of A. I find that an odd thing. Do you ever pray to him Jess? Just wondering. I’ve a million and one questions I’d love to ask a real live honest Anglican ya know, all saved up for rainy days. Really. I’ve only know a few Episcopalians in my life and they are very reserved in sharing their faith. At least the ones I’ve known have been. I’d actually be thrilled to chat it up with you and find out lots of stuff. But only if you’re willing. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Say good sister ginny, that statue of Mary must be getting cold. Do you guys put a jacket or a blanket on her to keep he warm?
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Be gone Satan……never tempt me with your poison………………….I still will not talk to you Bosco. You openly invoked demons here and I’ve no business with real devil worshippers. May the Lord have mercy on your soul.
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Nice to see you too.
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Ah, I was wondering why you said I invoked demons. Took me awhile….im not as quick on my mind as I used to be. (;-D Have you noticed that no other papist logged a protest when I praised Lucifer as the guiding light of the catholic church, to which you are a member? That’s because its true. Why don’t you ask a fellow papist befor calling poor ol Bosco a Satan worshiper.
Any Papist in here care to help ol good sister ginny out?
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Don’t tempt me. You’re lucky my arms and hands won’t reach your throat from here to throttle the daylights out of you.
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Ah, good brother David, good to see you too, but that’s not the answer I was expecting. While youre here, why don’t you explain to your sister ginny how Lucifer is the Light of the Catholic Church. Be a dear…thanks in advance.
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oooops. P. S. Beautiful post Jess. Sorry – I was too excited from making snow angels with God to say so. My bad.
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No, you were having fun – which is never bad 🙂
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Fighting the good fight. Yes, in the reader . . . it types normally.
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Maybe we’ve got a computer version of the sock monster – you know – the ugly guy who eats a ew socks when you do the laundry, only this one is ond of f’s and cannot easily be ound out because he is ond o hiding and only comes out when there are lot o f’s in the sentences to choose rom. The sock monster in my house was a little picky. He’s got a taste or brand new socks seeing the dryer or the irst time. Never eats ones with holes in them though. God bless. Ginny ree.
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Yes that monster definitely lurks around me as well. That is why I quit buying socks of different colors. I now have all white socks and black socks of the same make and design. That way I do not have to match them or throw the single sock that is left away . . . for sooner or later another sock will be lost I will have a two matching singles that make a pair. 🙂
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