Chrysostom tells us that Jesus came to the wedding at Cana caring more for our good than for his own dignity. He who did not disdain to take upon himself the form of a servant did not disdain to come to the marriage of servants. St Augustine reminds us that Jesus came into the world for a marriage – the Word is the bridegroom and human flesh the bride, and it is redeemed through him.
St Maximus of Turin points out that the Blessed Virgin was asking for a temporal favour, but Christ was concerned with those that would be eternal. Only the one who had made it out of nothing could change water into something whose use was quite different; Jesus wants to do the same with the water of our lives.
Bede adds that those are most worthy of Christ burn with devotional desires and have known the passage from vice to virtue, and from earthly to eternal things. The wine was made to fail to allow the Lord the opportunity to make something better – and so that the glory of God in man might be brought from its hiding place.
Whenever Jesus refers to ‘my hour’ (John 8:20; 12:23: 13:1) it indicates that some crisis in his personal life has been reached. Chrysostom says that Jesus’ words here indicate that the wedding guests did not know his real identity. It is only when we, like the wedding guests, perceive that our life is empty, that we recognise the source of fulfilment. The thirst caused by the failure of the wine symbolises the thirst we have as humans that can be fulfilled only in God.
Chrysostom challenges those foolish enough to give credit to the notion that in his words Our Lord was being disrespectful to his mother. He always showed her due respect, but here he is reminding her, and us, that God has no need to be reminded of anything, and that he is God Incarnate and made all things in heaven and on earth. But he decides that he will honour his mother and do what she asks.
St Augustine explains to us that the wine of Christ comes from the water of the law and the prophets.. Only the Creator of all things could make one thing into another – and he does the same with us. He gives the world the first testimony of who he really is.
St Maximus tells us that in seeing this, the disciples believed because he revealed it to them, as he will reveal it to us if we believe. As he transformed mere water into the richest wine, so he will transform our sinful selves into beings fit for heaven.
human flesh the bride,
I don’t know where you get this my good brother, but flesh is not saved. Its the spirit that is saved.
But he decides that he will honour his mother and do what she asks.
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Jesus didn’t go out to see them. They weren’t his followers. They were his family and were concerned for him. So Jesus didn’t obey his mothers every wish. One little falsehood adds to another.
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I don’t know where you get this, though I can guess. We are raised in the body as well as the Spirit Bosco, that is why Jesus rose in the body.
You will note, here, that Jesus did obey his mother’s wish.
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We will put on a new body, an incorruptible body.
“We shall be changed”
The saved already have the “new” spirit befor they die or are raptured.
Jesus was raised with a new incorruptible body, and he is in heaven with that same body, and will come down in that same body.
I believe the religion you subscribe to puts too much emphasis on flesh and what the eye can see and not one sherd on being born again.
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Indeed, but a body all the sane, not just a spirit as you seemed to be saying. By the way, Jesus’ resurrected body still bore the marks of the crucifixion.
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Yes, his body did have the marks. I firmly believe he wanted to keep those because those marks are all important. They reconcile us to him. Now he gets to have a bride. Those marks are why he was born and given to us.
But if your read further, none of his followers recognized him. They walked along side of him and sat down and ate with him but didn’t recognize him till he revealed himself. This has been my message from the beginning. One has to ask Jesus to reveal himself. One can walk along side him and never know him. Religions just put a band aide on the wound but don’t heal the wound. they substitute things and objects in place of god….and even substitute men for Christ.
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Indeed, and I agree with that suggestion.
It seems clear that before the Resurrection, none of the Apostles has a clear and entirely accurate idea of who he was; this came after the Resurrection. It is clear from the letters of Paul, John and Jude and Peter that there were false teachers about even in the early days. This is why they all advise the faithful to be true to what was handed down in writing and orally. That remains the safest way not to be misled.
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That’s rite. They lived with him and ate with him daily, but weren’t born again. They were given the new spirits at pentacost.. Then they knew.
I don’t believe that observing the traditions and writings keep us true. I firmly believe being born again is how we know what is true. jesus is all there is. The writings and oral traditions all speak of HIM and in them you think you have life. Verily I say unto you, the devil knows scripture, and he doesn’t have life in him.
Ye must be born again.
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I agree. You will notice I did not say that tradition saved you – only God does that. But there are many spirits which claim to be from him, and we have to test that against tradition. We are born again by water and fire, are we not?
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We are not born of fire and water. Jesus explained how that happens. He creates a new spirit up in heaven….and then he drops it down into us. This “new Spirit” know Jesus because it was in heave with Jesus and supped with him. Then he gives it to the person and then that person has a new spirit that knows Him. It happens in the twinkling of an eye. It is not a process. One can be sitting there minding his own business and then all of a sudden he, or she is changed. It doesn’t need to be renewd every sunday or built up. Its there and its final. Christ doesn’t fool around. Either one is saved or one isn’t. And when one is saved, one knows it. The Spirit isn’t the author of confusion.
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John 3:5 – yes, the Spirit is fire. This is the Paraclete who is co-eternal with the Father and the Son. We are baptised in the name of the Trinity, and for most Christians that is when the Spirit enters us. I am, as anyone must be, happy to admit exceptions, for the Spirit goes where he will, but we see those coming to Jesus in Acts mostly being baptised.
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Good brother Kaltenbruner was baptized in the father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Yes, we all thought we could get in line and be born again.
AZ the Wedding Supper, ill make sure to put your name tag next to good brother Goebbles (;-D
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If the Saints baptised by Paul could fall into sin, why be surprised others can?
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You said it . Out of the mouths of babes.
Baptized by Paul.
Jesus is the one who baptizes with the holy ghost. Anyone can get dunked in water by anyone. Good brother John said it also. He said…..I baptize with water, but he who comes after me shal baptize with the holy ghost.
One can get put in water….that is just a outward sign. I can assure you one cant get in line to be born again. One has to open the Door by ones self.
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Again, I think there is a misunderstanding here. Paul did not baptise in his name, but in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What happened when Jesus was baptised in the Jordan? The Spirit came, as He does when we are baptised.
We see clearly in Acts that even the Saints, who are born again, can fall away, and so it is clear that yes, we are born again by the Spirit, but also that we have to keep struggling with sin, as you do, as I do, and as all do.
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Ive got to get off comp now. But yes, all you say is true. Good brother John baptized in the name of god, and I believe John even baptized in the sons name too, because John made a path for Jesus. But the people he baptized weren’t born again. on this I think we can agree. The holy ghost wasn’t given to men yet.
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We can. It was the prototype of what was to come.
Have a good day – and again, my thanks for this new spirit, which is impressive.
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My Parish has three priests, one of them being higher in the hierarchy. In the bulletin, the Pastor of the parish wrote about the typology of the Marriage at Cana and how the first wine represented the Old Covenant with the Jews and when Christ turned the water into wine it was an image for his new covenant as the best wine of heaven comes second.
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Not a bad theme at all.
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Jesus didn’t come out of the house to see his brothers and mother. That is the bottom line. But it is a small point and doesn’t effect ones salvation. But small inaccuracies can start adding up and snowball into giant falsehoods. So giant that they can lead billions of people to their deaths.
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True, but it works both ways. Jesus loved his mother, so should we.
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I don’t know Mary. Jesus didn’t recognize her as Mother. he called her a woman, which is all she is. That is all we are. men and women made He us.
Im sure she was a likeable person, I guess. But I don’t know her.
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No, she was his mother, it says so in the Bible. You are misinterpreting what Jesus meant, he did not deny she was his mother, but he extended the family bond to all who believe in him. A small mistake on your part, but one from which many errors have come.
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Yes, she was his mother. This truly is where many errors have come from. But they are minor. We, as humans, cant fathom the ways of the spirit world.
Is Mary the mother of God, or the mother of a man, a human.?
Jesus is called the son of man. The son of a man is always a human. We all agree Jesus was a human and had human desires…..the bible is clear on that.
In genetics, we understand each person gets exactly half its characteristics from each parent.
Jesus got his earthly body from the female, and got his spirit from His Father. The mother did not contribute anything to his spirit. His spirit was 100% given by His father. The female was solely responsible for the body, which was a mans body. God is everlasting and has no beginning. He has no mother, as is written in scripture. Me personally, I cant wrap my head around the concept of “no Beginning”
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Now here you are in danger of falling into error. Nowhere is Jesus called the son of a man – it is always ‘son of man’. If, as I think you also believe, Jesus was the Word, and the Word was in the beginning, and the Word was God, then in giving birth to Jesus – the Word Incarnate in flesh, the Mary either gave birth to the Word made flesh, who is God, or she gave birth to a man. Christians believe the Word was God, and that Jesus was the Word. He was fully man and fully God, and in being fully man, he heals our wounded nature because he is also God, and only God can do that.
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Semantics my dear boy, semantics. The Word was in the beginning. No one gave birth the Alpha and Omega. Jesus body was a man, given by the mother. Jesus divinity was birthd by his father.
The flip side of the coin of errors is putting too much emphasis on a creature, a created being, such as Jesus earthly mother. But, the bottom line is to get born again. Then worry about details. heck, good brother Paul used to kill Christians, and he met Jesus.
Jesus is god….his mother is the mother of god. Semantics. So what?
At judgment, we aren’t asked if we venerated his mother. He sees the blood of Christ on the saved.
The moral of the story……get saved.
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Semantics matter here. Some people believe Jesus was just a good moral teacher. Christians believe he is God. So, in saying Mary gave birth to God, we are saying Jesus is God the Word. This matters because if Jesus is not God, we cannot be redeemed by him, and if he is not human, our nature cannot be redeemed.
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At the judgement we are asked if we believe, and if we say we believe Jesus was a good chap, we are unlikely to be saved.
Paul makes it clear that being saved is not a one off thing. He talks about running the race, and he chastises the saints in Corinth and Galatia for their sins. Now, I think we agree that those who were in those churches were saved, they had received the Spirit. But despite that they lapsed. We are born again, but if we believe that that’s the end of our struggle with sin, we can fall into the pit.
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Well, you know, mary did give birth to the creator of heaven and earth. That is fair to say. At least, she gave birth to his earthly body. This was given as a sign. A virgin shall conceive. Jesus made several appearances in the old test. No human mother was required. Still, beware lest you worship the creature more than the creator.
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None of us should worship anyone except God. One reason it is so important to say Mary is the mother of God is it shows Jesus is God. There was an ancient heresy, Nestorianism, which insisted Mary was only the mother of the man, and the Spirit came later.
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By the way, I am not unmindful that some of the language used about Our Lady can sound a bit over the top. But don’t be misled by it, no Christian worships her.
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That is the crust on the biscuit. Worship. People don’t think they worship this or that. But its simple and at the same time not so simple. Things keep people from opening the door to Christ. The belief that one is already good with god is the number one path to hell. This path is provided by religions and mans understanding.
“im a good person,…never did anyone no harm….Im sure ill make it to heaven”
My good friend told me recently(he was born and raised catholic) , that when he dies, Mary will save him. Hindus think Krishna will pull them to heaven by their hair.
Both are patently false notions. This reliance on some female to intercede on their behalf is not to be found in scripture. Elevating a human to a position of heavenly power is worship. One can worship their car or house. They don’t call it worship, but anything that keeps one from humbly asking Jesus into their heart is idolatry. I know it sounds stupid. But that’s how the NT sees it. Humans slip into idolatry as easy as they slip on gloves. I know….I was once an idolater. I still struggle with the pride of life and the lusts of the flesh, but im coverd in the blood. God took my 3 Les Paul guitars from me and gave me a nice guitar in their place, but im not totally happy with this new guitar, like I was with the others. I liked to show them off and was proud of them
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True, and your friend is simply wrong. True, too, that the belief you are right with God can be the high road to hell too. You offer some examples, but what about those who believe that because they are born again, that makes them right with God?
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Anyone can believe they are born again….and their religions tell them they are rite with god. My preacher told us we were all childs of god at the services at the church we attended. After I met Jesus, I asked the reverend if he knew Jesus. he said he didn’t know him personally.
Ask the man upstairs about it. Bosco cant help you.
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Indeed, and that’s why we have to test the spirit, of course. Enjoy your day.
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God has feelings too, you know. Its lonely at the top. God wanted a equal, a partner to share heaven with, someone to love, just as we humans want someone to love….a wife, and then kids. Angels are just robots. lap dogs. Sons of god are still sons of god. The bible doesn’t say what becomes of them. But Lucifer is dealt with. He is also a son of god. But he fell away and will go into the bottomless pit and the lake of fire, and all those that love him and worship his name will follow him to the Lake that burns with fire.
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God is company, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. In the beginning was The Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. We become sons by adoption through Jesus.
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By the way, Bosco, having been critical of you, let me say in public that this new, more thoughtful approach is very welcome.
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I justly deserved criticism. I was disruptive.
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You were, and we can all err. It takes a man to admit he’s been wrong, and a Christian to repent and amend his behaviour – so you are to be commended. You actually have a real contribution to make here, and you are now making it 😄
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