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I found Jessica’s post on the Anglican conference to be very fair, and to make the salient points.
I also thought Francis encapsulated my views exceptionally well when she said this:
One should always apologise if one’s behaviour towards others is uncharitable. But this is different from, pointing out, in truth as well as love, that we all sin (including in the sexual sphere) and that this sin separates us from God. What is problematic today is that you can’t state this in public without being called “homophobic”. One might coin the word “Christophobic” to describe people who can’t bear the toughness of the Christian faith and hate those who try to live it. We are all called to sexual restraint outside marriage between a man and a woman. This can be very hard – but part of being a Christian is “carrying one’s cross”. Today, the “Cross” is a scandal to our hedonistic society that refuses to allow any restraint on any kind of sexual behaviour. Sadly this has infected the Anglican Church in the West – but not in Africa where the bulk of Anglicans live.
Very true, and very well stated.
But as I read through the comments, something else struck me. Our churches have come very close to condoning all of the sexual sins, homosexuality, yes; but also adultery, fornication, and occasionally lately paedophilia as well. And always abortion. But there is more than sex concerned here.
All of these sins (and most are either, or lately were, crimes, as well) have one thing in common. Like strongarm robbery, they are crimes of the strong against the weak. To Francis’ point on the differences between Christianity, one needs to look no further than last New Years Eve in Germany, for the difference between Christianity and Islam, and how our secular governments cower before Islam. And that is something we are increasingly seeing as the tide of Christianity rolls back in the west. The protection for the weakest amongst us is leaving with it.
That shouldn’t surprise anybody, really. The protection of the individual (and the organic family) is a key feature of Christianity, based on Judaism. All other systems have elevated the ‘collective’ over the individual. Only in Christian Western Europe and places it has reached in the world, like North America, has the individual been exalted over the group. Remember, in Christianity, many may believe but we are judged, and saved, individually.
This is the centerpiece of our faith, He came down from heaven to save us, each of us, an individual sinner, not the nation, or the tribe, or the congregation, but me. The protection of the weak against the strong, and we can tie that back into our secular history just as easily. What else is King Arthur, the Once and Future King, but the end of the rule of ‘Might is Right’. And that is the entire thrust of Anglo-American legal history as well. The protection of the individual citizen against the all powerful, and uncaring state, whether King, Parliament, President, or Congress, the objective law is the weak individual’s bulwark against the state. All the way from King Alfred the Great, through Magna Charta, and the Cousin’s Wars to the 15th Amendment to the US Constitution, and beyond.
And that is what I see in where many of our churches are going, and undoing, not only of the Faith, as it has always been taught, everywhere, but and undoing of the very rights that we believe God himself gave to us, in favor of bullies and slavemasters.
Maybe I don’t understand this fully, NEO; but I think that the “strong” vs. the “weak” aspect is not so fundamental as you propose. It seems that the “justice is blind” aspect is truly set up as you say . . . and should (imperfectly) protect the weak from the strong . . . so no problem there. So it is true but does not perhaps describe the whole of the foundational issues.
For it seems you have left out the ‘will of the people’ or ‘collective ethos’ of this society that was incorporated into our Constitution and to some extent all democratically elected governments to some degree, which was founded on a shared ethos or cultural background . . . morally informed by ethics and morality founded in Jewish and Christian laws. For, if it is nothing more than protecting the weak from the strong, these same arguments can be and are being used by the LGBT crowd, the abortion lobby, euthanasia lobby, NAMBLA etc. Islam is also being treated as a minority that needs state protection (the elites and liberals whine) . . . although none of these meets the foundational requirements for our protection; the commonly held ethos of this society that we live in. Much of this is where our societies have lost their cultural battles with the lobbyists for such ideas. Its the old ‘I’ll scratch your back if you’ll scratch mine’ syndrome. In churches, it’s more like, ‘I won’t see your behaviour as sin, if you don’t see my behaviour as sin.’
We do not give rights to many weak groups or individuals who propose things which are antithetical to our cultural standards (though these have certainly changed immensely during our lifetimes). I cannot protect a child or my wife from the filth on TV, the lyrics of rap songs, the billboards along a highway or the foul language you might hear in the street or in a diner. This is culminating, I’m afraid, in a push for us to relinquish our individual rights to protect our own families from real, bodily harm in conjunction with the protections afforded by our government; like Europe, many don’t want to augment the protections of the State with their own freedom and responsibility to protect their own family. Ours is a narrow path between state laws and individual rights; between state law enforcement and personal responsibility. Europe has surrendered their rights to keep and bear arms while we cling to this right though with ever increasing regulations. We are at a point where we risk losing this liberty slowly and methodically over time . . . as nobody will be able to meet the requirements to own or carry a weapon in the future if these continue to pile up.
We live in a Constitutional democratic republic (in the US) and we must abide by the will of the people ultimately. But if and when the laws of this land become unjust, fewer will abide by them and I doubt this country will survive long without experiencing a grueling battle of cultures and perhaps an outright civil war. I believe the present situation in Europe is nearing this breaking point as well. How it ends for them is vitally important . . . for they are miles ahead of us on this same slippery road, though at times I think we may be gaining on them.
To sum up: culture has almost reached civil war status or outright anarchy and it may not be long before the civil, judicial and political systems we live in break down as a result; for one follows the other.
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My overly long comment seems to be in the spam bucket . . . who knows, maybe that is where it belongs. 🙂
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And now it’s back. I don’t entirely disagree with you. I chose to highlight the strong/weak issue not least because it works well well with both abortion, and the mess in Cologne on NYE. But yes, right versus wrong is always an issue, but that drops pretty much out of the equation when might rules. I tend to focus on the rights of minorities, and civilly, that includes LGBT. In Christianity, the question is more complicated, of course..
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Well, if that is the ‘new’ culture that we are forging I would agree that this might make sense. But immorality (as held by the majority view) was controlled by laws in our country; local, state and federal laws. ‘Blue’ laws are still on the books in many areas of the country: which generally have to do with liquor sales in their county or stores that can open on Sunday. I do not think a pathology has political rights, except perhaps, to receive help for their condition. They don’t feel that they need help but how many folks who are suffering with a mental aberration do? We have stricken these folks from the ranks of a disorder to an alternative normal. I am beginning to wonder if ‘collectively’ we are suffering from a pathology ourselves . . . we seem to be creating a culture of . . . do your own thing no matter how this costs our society in terms of rearing healthy and happy children and fostering family and family values. We lost the war I guess . . . because many see it as you do as a pathology that has civil rights. I don’t. God save the country from this insanity.
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Again, I personally pretty much agree, and that is fine for the church. If you want the benefits (here or eternally) follow the rules.
When it goes to the civil realm, the second kingdom, then they have exactly the same rights as Christians, Sikhs, Hitchenites, or whatever. No more rights mind, but the same. We’ve had these things throughout our history, they hang on for a while and die out. We simply strengthen them by paying attention to their tantrums.
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Will you also ‘civilly’ support NAMBLA in their quest to rise from ‘second rate’ citizenship, NEO? Would you support religious freedom for Voodoo or for those who wish to practice polygamy? I can think of some more egregious than these as well. As I say, if we end up supporting this as the moral fabric of our ‘new’ culture being forged in our day then anything goes. I cannot think of a ‘civil’ reason to not support any of this and still render justice as blind. Then they all have ‘rights.’ Insanity already reigns when we have given ‘rights’ to transgenders to have a ‘sex change’ operation at the public expense; even if they are rotting in jail. Surely this is the outcome of giving rights to what were considered pathologies or crimes that we once held as our moral fabric upon which this culture of peoples were meant to be protected via the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Once you start down this road there is no end. Rather than protecting a shared ethos we will abandon having any ethos which is shared. Only law . . . without ethics. Only equality for all things . . . nothing to distinguish between what is good or bad, healthy or unhealthy. Madness.
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I support anybody’s right to bloviate about almost anything. That doesn’t mean that I support allowing anyone to do anything that harms another (or their property). Nor do I ever support measure that coerce (including by taxation) for any thing not in the general public interest, although roads are problematic, anything narrower than that is not something that Washington should do.
If our beliefs are correct, we have nothing to fear from all the others, we never have. We spread these ideas in a civilization far more opposed to them than this one, but for some reason we have become ashamed of being Christians. Why?
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I think we widely agree. I am only trying to draw a bit more distinction from you . . . as I think in our day we need more distinctions and re-categorization as I mentioned in my piece on Muslims.
This world has changed and we are changing with it. We are committing suicide by the use of our own ‘rightly formed’ principles of charity and justice. Our culture has a large number of these principles but we are willing, it seems, to allow them all be destroyed for the sake of one or two of them. That to me is suicide. We either are content with how things are going or we need to do a bit more in making distinctions within the principles that we uphold. If we do not there will be little left but a book of laws, of hate speech and loss of sovereignty. This whole thing, without moral licitness (or a shared moral ethos), has the ability to bring our nation to its knees.
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We largely do. Mostly, I’m tired of us hiding our light under a basket. We have the truth and we need to proclaim it loudly and proudly, and yes we will pay a price for that, but we deserve it no less than others. In sum Morality must be taught, it cannot be legislated.
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And why the misplaced actions of the Anglicans (along with our own variations in the different churches) are on a fool’s errand to try to make immorality fashionable within the framework of Christianity.
Preaching in season or out of season? Teaching another gospel?
Itching ears?
Another doctrine even taught by an angel of light?
This is all we see today . . . and now we have the added barriers to our preaching the Gospel: civil laws, hate speech laws and a clergy that appears docile to the world and opposed to its own teachings. Our pastors are re-interpreting the Bible to suit the times and rejecting the Scriptures as uncharitable and unkind . . . which is the only unforgivable sin.
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Only answer that I have is that many in our churches have become ashamed of Christianity, and rather than disrupt their meal ticket, have fallen away from the faith. That’s not very satisfying, but it’s all I have.
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Well, quite frankly NEO, its more than I have. 🙂
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Careerism is an ugly answer, but not unheard of. Sad though 🙂
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A good old fashioned experience of Coliseum treatment of Christians (probably at the hands of our the soon to be majority Muslim populations in our countries) will send them packing. It is usually the simple believers that will hold to their faith. And in our country, thank God, to our Bibles and our guns . . . though the Obamaites will never understand it.
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Concur. It’s an ugly but effective exercise.
America is a considerably harder target, and often sees pretty clearly, except in Washington.
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I read your comments chaps, with great interest because you are speaking from your experience Stateside. Christianity in England is now ‘unfashionable’ in my opinion. Its Truths are too ‘rigid’, its boundaries faaaar too restrictive and the call to live within a Christian way of life just plain old out-dated. So, what do the some clergy and Bishops feel called to do? Re-invent Christ’s message and say ‘don’t worry, God loves you no matter what. After all, Jesus is about love, so he will accept you no matter how you approach your life of faith or live your life’. The C of E here reminds me of a large corporation now which has had a series of board meetings, re-jigged its strategy, changed its marketing and PR approach and sent all its clergy on management training. Give me an ‘old-fashioned’ cleric whose life is drenched in prayer and lives and preaches God’s message. There are some, battling away against this increasing tide of modernists, but they are in the minority I would guess.
We are all sinful beings (my early 20s through to my early 30s were a spiritual desert and I left my faith in the cupboard which did me NO good at all) but if the liberal way of life is allowed to continue apace, then I can only see more disasters, disease, fighting and society break-downs ahead of us.
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I know you are right, and our experience in the US is different. And yet, I wonder if you’re not more representative than you know. I have said before that I think some of the CofEs problem IS that it is the established church, answering to a Godless government. That’s sure not the only problem, but it ain’t the cure either
In America, the last few years, the more orthodox a church is, the better it has fared. Case in point is the Episcopal church, which is declining rather badly while the breakaway conservative (sorry can’t remember it name at the moment) is (while small) doing quite well. The proof of the pudding is always in the eating, but it looks to me like a sea change is happening here, and maybe there as well.
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