Last Sunday, our Bishop, Alan Hopes, announced that the Pope had agreed to make the National Shrine at Walsingham a ‘minor basilica’:
“The Holy See’s recognition of the importance of the church in Walsingham is a recognition of the growth and witness of the shrine over these many years since its re-establishment after its destruction during the period of the Reformation, for its constant witness to the importance of marriage and family life and its pastoral care of the tens of thousands of pilgrims who make their journey to the shrine every year.”
The new Rector, Mgr John Armitage, is a force of nature, who is determined to make the Shrine an even better place of pilgrimage. For those, such as myself, who have been going there for 40 years, all of this is the answer to our prayers. I will happily put up with more difficulties parking and more people about the place if it means that the joys of that very special place can be shared more widely. In the Middle Ages it was the most popular pilgrimage place in the country, and only just behind Compostella in terms of European-wide pilgrimage. Those of you who have read Jessica’s moving description of her own pilgrimage there can get some notion of what it meant to one pilgrim, but I never knew anyone come away from it untouched.
There is now a TV channel which allows those of you who can’t get there to join in at times of the day, and to catch up on demand.
All of this is part of a plan to raise enough money to fully-equip the new Basilica for its age-old task of providing a spiritual retreat – something needed more than ever in our stressed-out world. Here, in microcosm , is an example of how the Church manages to be ever-old and yet renew itself.
A century and a half ago, the new Basilica was a cowshed, and it took the vision, enthusiasm and money of a Catholic convert to buy back the old Slipper chapel and turn it into a consecrated place again. It may be doubted that even Charlotte Boyd could have foreseen where her initiative would lead. Initially the local hierarchy wanted the national shrine to be elsewhere in East Anglia, but in the end it was decided by people voting with their feet. They went to Walsingham. That was where their long-forgotten forefathers had gone. The so-called reformers may have destroyed the Shrine, the statue of Our Lady and desecrated the sacred space, and as time passed, it seems almost as though Walsingham had been forgotten. But if the Lord is with us, who can stand against us?
Both Anglicans and Roman Catholics rediscovered Walsingham in the early twentieth century, and for both churches, it became, again, what it had always been. Now, Pope Francis has taken the next step in this journey, and with the support of Bishop Alan, Walsingham moves forward to be even more itself than before.
To those who get themselves into a bit of a mess imagining that anyone ‘worships’ Our Lady, I offer these words of Newman’s to meditate upon:
… if we take a survey at least of Europe, we shall find that it is not those religious communions which are characterized by devotion towards the Blessed Virgin that have ceased to adore her Eternal Son, but those very bodies … which have renounced devotion to her. The regard for His glory, which was professed in that keen jealousy of her exaltation, has not been supported by the event. They who were accused of worshipping a creature in His stead, still worship Him; their accusers, who hoped to worship Him so purely … have ceased to worship Him altogether.
Devotion to Christ has remained strongest for longest where Christians also pay honour to the Blessed Virgin; where they do not, the faith has ebbed.
If you want to know more about the aims of the development appeal, or to support it, you can find out more here. ‘Ever ancient, ever new’ – Our Lady of Walsingham, pray for us.
Hurrah! Great news indeed!
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Amen, Amen, Amen! Alleluia! Such a beautiful, special and healing place. A place where the Holy Spirit abides, our blessed Lady intercedes and beloved Jesus is ever present. Wonderful news for all 🙂
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It was good to see your Orthodox prayer. It is such a special place.
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Nimrod and his Satanic cult lives. Im not surprised a picture of Isis and Horus is displayed so soon after I exposed its usage. You Satan worshipers can do without Semiramis and Nimrod. And you have the unmitigated gall to call yourselfs Christians.
Verily, ye shall have your reward
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Yes, yes, yada, yada, yada. Wake us all up at some point.
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Funny that where he sees a phallus I see a cross on the abdomen. I guess that sums up the difference between Christians and sex-obsessed nut jobs.
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That’s how I see it.
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Probably most Christians would.
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Don’t just moderate me….ban the only person who speaks the Word of God.
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Bosco, as I have commented and shown on numerous occasions, most of what you say is lies, and we know who is the father of lies. But if you want to be banned, that can be arranged. You seem to have no conception of the offence you give by your ignorance and stupidity, and normal people here have had enough of your ramblings.
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A lie is a spoken word that is known to be false by the speaker. Good brother Jeff has on many occasions mentioned that he used to believe the same as I do. So your hysterical claims that I make up lies is as hysterical as your false religious system.
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You can no longer claim ignorance. The one thing that has come out of your time here is you have been told again and again the answer to your lies. Like a parrot you repeat them. That does not make them true.
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PLEASE C and Jess…how much longer will we have to endure all his nonsense??? This really spoils a blog which I wish to follow and contribute to, but his endless, insulting and blasphemous garbage is REALLY getting on my nerves now. Enough already.
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It’s true Orthodoxgirl. Who else would invite a heckler or protester to a serious forum for discussion? It seems utterly insane to me.
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I have placed him on moderation. I can’t get in touch with Jess today, but as I am the moderator, I have taken this decision and have to hope she’ll agree. Frankly, he is keeping sensible people away from here, and he has nothing of any value to contribute. Enough was reached some time ago, but I felt constrained by Jessica’s sensibilities, but this is just more of the same old stuff, and I cannot take any more!
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Yes. I fear it is not enough if we really wish to make this a place of intellectual exchange on serious and even sublime things. He has no place in such a venue.
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That is the view I have just expressed to Jessica.
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I thank you, C. Something really does need be done. It not dissimilar than going to those websites to read a story we’re interested in, only to be bombarded by pop-ups and other annoying things that often quite unsavory. After awhile you just decide not to read articles posted on that particular website. You really need to have Jess create a ‘policy’ that is clearly expressed for what is expected of those who contribute or engage here. At least that is what I would do were it my site.
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We are entirely in accord, and this is exactly what I have suggested.
Gareth’s pieces had to be put under my name because he did not want to appear under the image of the clown, and he was aware that others who might read would wonder what on earth he was doing on the same site. These are arguments I have been using for a long time, and I think we have come to the end of the road on this one.
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Amen and amen to that, my friend. In fact, I would suggest that his past remarks be scratched from the archives . . . any visitor who is reading them may think twice before wanting to be associated with such a lack of serious thought.
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It might be rather wearisome in terms of the amount of time. I am still awaiting Jessica’s views.
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I’m not sure how it works . . . but is it possible if you seach for Bosco in the comments screen and get them all that you can delete them from there in one action?
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Probably could do that – might make a bit of a mess of the comment streams though. You may have seen I have let through two recent ones from him, including one where he denies Our Lady was at the foot of the cross! should he reply, I will let that through. I think that, as usual, when he’s caught in a lie, he’ll avoid the issue.
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Ultimately, its all up to Jess. I can only speak for myself. I think if you search for Bosco you will catch most of the comments made to him as well . . . just a thought: search then for Bisto, Clown, Bozo, etc. That should take care of most of the problems with the comment stream . . . and the others that did not reply using his name in some way could probably slide.
I saw . . . but did not read the comments from him. I truly am seeing him as an unwanted, unsavory pop-up ad here.
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Yes, my patience and tolerance has now dried up. His disruptive, idiotic interruptions are really annoying and are total garbage. Time he was off to jabber to his own kind.
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He has his own forum at his own website. Jess has every right to forge her own forum at AATW to the type of group she wants to encourage to read and discuss the issues that are along the lines she desires.
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After three and a half years of saying the same thing, I think no one could deny there has been Christian charity shown to him. But enough is enough as they say.
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I think we have reached the end of the road. I need to talk to Jess, but I have had enough – he is ruining the pleasure others get from being here.
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Indeed. Let him ply his tinfoil hat theories about religion on his own website. There is nothing new to respond to . . . and probably we shouldn’t have given him a forum outside his own for all this time. Jess has bent over backwards to accomodate this guy. He has nothing to complain about if she cuts him loose or any others that come along of this same ilk.
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Hear! Hear!
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I’m inclined to think we have as well. Not so much because of his views as because of his inability to keep a civil tongue in his head, perhaps time fo stuff a bar of lye soap in the fool’s mouth. I retain a fondness for him, but if he can’t act like a grown up, there’s little place for him here.
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I think we are coming close to a consensus here. He’s been given every chance, but there is not only nothing new, but much that is old hat!
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I think we are as well, and I suspect Jess will see it the same way. Same old, eventually wears out its welcome.
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I fear so.
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Aye, as do I.
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I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods
http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm
Why `don’t you moderate this?
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Why would I? No Catholic worships graven images. You must be the last saloon bar bore in the world who imagines this. You have been show repeatedly why you are wrong, and you repeat yourself. This is why everyone here has had enough – you have become a crashing bore.
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Just heard a wonderful story of conversion. I was at my usual watering hole for lunch, sitting next to me was a young man in his late thirties. Somehow during the conversation we exchanged what each of us did. He allowed how he thought his father was a sociopath. I explained what one was and asked if that described him. He answered by saying that his father was a strict Calvinist, “once saved always saved,” no matter what he did. He then told me he had become Catholic. His father, like someone we know, responded, he was going to Hell.
I asked him to tell his story. He was in a Mega Church where their were multiple pastors, each with their own version of Salvation. He was in Bible study group of 40 who all questioned these various versions. So they all decided to go back in history to find out what really happened. Aha!, The Early Fathers showed up. They couldn’t believe it…the Catholic Church…nah not possible!
In 2008 all 40 were received into the Church in Tempe AZ on Divine Mercy Sunday. this included three of his four brothers.
BTW, we have 16 in our RCIA program this year.
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That is excellent news – Newman was right about the effects of becoming deeply immersed in history.
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What a heartening story David! Unravel the chaotic nonsensicle ball of string and guess where it leads?….to the beginning…. to Our Lord Jesus Christ and all divine Truth. Perfect example of “and their eyes shall be opened”. Thanks for sharing this. Always good to hear stories like this. We are surrounded by so much cynicism, disbelief, scorn, scoffing and ambivalence.
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This is good news indeed. You do well to quote Newman on those who have renounced devotion to Mary Theotokos, the Mother of God. How easy it seems for those who like to taunt Catholics and spit on their traditional devotions to go that one step further and speak for the very devil; for only the Father of Lies and those he has won over trample upon the prayers of those who venerate Christ’s mother; and if Christ gave instruction to St John to care for his mother as she stood at the foot of the cross, so should we defend her against any who call themselves Christians but mock Our Lady. In so doing they open themselves to the reasonable question, are you for Christ or against him?
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Mary wasn’t at the foot of the cross….roman guards were there.
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Another outright lie – John 19:25 and I quote:
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
You don’t believe even what the Bible tells you.
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Stood by it. That’s what it says. We all know the roman guards were at the foot of the cross casting lots for his clothes, the one of them put vinegar on a sponge and gave him to drink.
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And where was she standing by except at the foot of the Cross? She was close enough for Jesus to talk to her and St John – do you think he was using a megaphone. You have, again, be caught in a falsehood.
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I believe they kept a distance. The roman guards just came from beating Jesus and spitting on him and pulling out his beard. Im sure Mary and the rest kept their distance from the guards. But this is not a matterof salvation. But small inaccuracies can lead to bigger inaccuracies. I read somewhere that Mary willingly offerd Jesus up for crucifixion. Then, ive seen pictures of what is supposed to be Mary standing at the foot of the cross with these light beams coming out of her hands. Well, I used to think Jimi Hendrix flew on the back of a dragonfly. Everyone has weird ideas until one gets born again. Even then, one can have weird ideas. Im here to testify to that.
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What you believe is irrelevant. Jesus spoke to both of them, so they were hardly at a distance. Your dislike of Mary is clear, and when you get to the Last Judgment I would not care to be in your shoes. You are the one whose small inaccuracies are leading him to hell. What you may or may not have read is, I am sorry, quite irrelevant. If you paid half as much attention to being a good Christian as you do to criticising the Church Jesus founded, someone other than you might believe your story about being born again. You have nothing of any worth to contribute and you are beginning to drive good people away from here. No one comes here to read your ill thought out lies.
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Good points Gareth, and yes, the road from one to the other is as you describe it.
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Hear, hear. Without Mary, the Theotokos, there would be no Jesus. She is our human example of humility, prayerfulness and purity.
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Here is is a prayer I regularly pray to Mary, which is in my Orthodox prayer book. I would like to share it with you:
“It is truly meet to bless thee, O Theotokos,
Who art ever blessed and all-blameless,
And the Mother of our God.
More honorable than the Cherubim,
And more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim,
Thou who without stain
Barest God the Word,
And art truly Theotokos:
We magnify thee!”
The one I posted earlier was from my Walsingham prayers from the Anglican shrine.
I love them both, but feel the Orthodox prayer sums up so beautifully how much Mary is loved and revered within the Orthodox faith.
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I can see why you like the Crawley Down liturgy with their mix of Anglican and Orthodox traditions. I recognize that hymn from the CSWG form of Vespers, except they use a slightly different translation (possibly written by the late Fr Gregory?)
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Yes indeed. So much of their Liturgy feels very familiar to me. I miss the Orthodox Liturgy very much which is why when I am at Walsingham on a Sunday I make a beeline for Divine Liturgy.
I would agree – the translation of the hymn to the Theotokos was likely written by the late Fr G.
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That is very moving – thank you.
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