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This blog has been here before – the threat to free speech posed by our idiot laws against ‘hate speech’ being interpreted by even more idiot judges who think that quoting the Bible equals ‘homophobia. The latest one has been the closest call yet. Last March Mike Overd was found guilty of hate speech and ordered to pay compensation to a man who claimed he had been ‘offended’ by Mike quoting from what Leviticus has to say about homosexuality. I didn’t write about it at the time because Mike appealed. I know folk who know Mike, and Mike has preached in Taunton for many years, in much the way I and others do here. Thankfully the appeal judge, a man of sound common sense, decided that the the prosecution had failed to make its case. Mike has had costs awarded in his favour, so some lawyers on the other side, who clearly did a shoddy job, will, nevertheless, have their fees paid; I hope someone looks at their conduct of the case and slaps a fine on them. It is lawyers like that who pose the greatest threat to free speech. I would probably stray into the area of possible libel if I mentioned the first judge and his judgment, so I shall say nothing about District Judge Shamim Ahmed Qureshi, who was, no doubt, perfectly qualified to pronounce on what Biblical verses a Christian should have been using (he thought Lev 18 rather than 20 should have been used), despite appearances to the contrary.
What I will do is quote Mike’s words for truth:
“In this country, we are now in the ludicrous situation where the slightest accusation of a ‘phobia’, be it ‘homophobia’ or ‘Islamaphobia’, is enough to paralyse rational action by the police and authorities. The highly politicised dogma of ‘phobias’ now too often results in trumped up charges and legal action. There is a chilling effect.
“Reasonable, law-abiding people now feel that they can’t say certain things and that is dangerous. Totalitarian regimes develop when ordinary people feel that there are certain things that can’t be said.
“Rather than prizing freedom of expression and protecting it, the police and the prosecutors risk undermining it, because they’ve become paranoid about anyone who might possibly feel offended.”
I have not yet come across a Muslim preacher being brought to court for quoting from the Koran, which is surely just my not finding this happening, and not a symptom of the same cowardice in the face of the professional ‘offendotrons’ of the Left. As it happens, if there had been such a case, I’d be on the side of Muslim preacher. There’s far too much of this sort of thing going on.
Every time our legislators pass laws restricting speech, they dispute the claims made by folk like me that this is corroding free speech to the point at which it is an endangered species. We really need, as a society, to sort this out. A chap sharing the word of God with folk who stop to listen, should not find himself up before the beak for quoting from Scripture. The Law is capable of being an ass, but only because those who make those laws are total asses. I would like to think this would be a wake up call, but don’t think it is.
I am glad Mike is free, and will raise a glass to him – but we will see more and more of these cases.
It seems that the UK has already begun the free fall into totalitarian authoritarianism by way of an illicit, legal rigidity imposed upon its citizens. I believe (even with the first amendment guarantees) that we Americans have started to spiral into this same hole. Already we are condemned by our peers and our media for violating some ethereal rule of what is proper or improper. So we too have hate speech laws which are far more difficult to prove but not above bringing out the wrath of our fellow citizens, media or political elites. So we Americans watch as you disappear into that dark abyss, knowing that if things don’t change here soon. we shall most certainly follow your lead.
How does it feel to be the leader in the race Geoffrey? 🙂
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I’ve always taken the view that the smart lemmings are the one who hold back as ask “is this really such a good idea?”
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Smarter yet would be to redirect the leaders into an alternative direction. 🙂
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I am happy with the so-called ‘leaders’ going there – the rest of us can find new leaders.
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Well, I wish I could disagree with either of you gentlemen (curmudgeons though we all be!) but I can’t.
I ran across this on “The Conservative Woman” the other day, for the Brit side:
“What are the signs to look out for?
Showing a mistrust of mainstream media reports and belief in conspiracy theories
Appearing angry about government policies, especially foreign policy”
Ouch! especially coming after this!
“Growing up under Polish communism, one of the things that sticks out for my wife is the practice of having to “unlearn” some of the things she learnt at school.”
It’s an excellent article: http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/rob-slane-the-wheel-turns-full-circle-now-we-are-living-behind-the-iron-curtain/
But we’re not doing much gloating over here, not even about our vaunted “constitutional guarantees”, which are increasingly being ignored as well by our government. I’d have to say that Dana Loesch speaks for a good many of us here:
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It is certainly very worrying.
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Yes, it is. It’s bad here, and sounds worse there.
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Seems a preview of what we are to face if we don’t put a stop to it. We already have protected ‘cultural’ expression (black culture, like gangsta rap etc, and the Muslim culture). They are political untouchables while Christian culture is a vile and forbiden culture of exclusion and privilege. So we promote anger, violence, riots, looting and outright hostility while we persecute the law abiding Christian that proposes that we might have public prayer or displays of our faith. What an upside down world . . . where good is the new bad and evil the new good.
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That’s some it up. Up is down and down is up, and words mean just what I want them to mean, this week. I guess we could call it “the end of western civilization” cause if we don’t fix it, it will be.
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Indeed it will . . . best swim against a tide that is trying to drag you out to sea rather than let it sweep you far from terra firma.
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Quite so, nothing to lose, and freedom to win.
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As I said to Neo, the one good thing here is that the appeal court threw this conviction out, but your wider point stands, alas.
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The encouraging thing is that the appeal court overruled the initial conviction.
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For now, don’t bet on it staying that way.
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There’s a case in Northern Ireland now about a preacher being prosecuted for telling the truth about Islam – that will be the real test case.
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It will be, and I wrote about one who told the truth about homosexuals in Norwich several years ago, when no Brit would, that one the CPS chickened out on. It’s getting worse, not better. We all need to “Keep up the skeer’ and rights lost are almost never regained.
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The pressure will be relentless – and we must push back.
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Indeed so, and so must we. Orwell was right, you know:
“In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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My Russian Orthodox friend often tells me that the United States doesn’t have a “Right” that Conservatism in the United States is merely acts as a shadow of liberalism.
In many ways, he’s right. The United States was founded on Classical Liberalism that was born out of the Enlightenment that has led to a lot of our concerns. Liberalism is founded solely on rationalism, Pope St. John Paul II wrote about this: ” Another point that is absolutely unacceptable to post-enlightenment thought. It refuses to accept the reality of sin and, in particular, it refuses to accept original sin.
He also says: “According to the Enlightenment mentality, the world does not need God’s love. The world is self-sufficient.”
After thinking and praying very deeply on the matter, as well as making observations at the Public university campus, I realized that political arguments with my peers were simply not enough. I needed to act, so I’ve done two simple things: #1 I prayed more. #2 I openly wore a crucifix in view of faculty and students.
I think #2 is a very small but very important step. It’s important to utilize since, as of right now, I still have the ‘freedom’ to wear one at such a location. It’s also important because the university makes mandatory diversity classes that teaches every single one of their students that each culture’s philosophy is equal. By opening wearing the crucifix it’s a subtle but outward statement that I reject such philosophy.
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Good for you – that’s an important witness.
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Good for you, indeed. Yes, classical liberalism informs much of the constitution, especially the Burkean heritage, but then again it is a secular government, and I’d say part of why Britain is messed up is conflating church and state. I would also say that the constitution is very specifically, an ink on parchment, realization of, and a real world attempt to counteract, Original Sin, by refusing to invest any man with the power to corrupt. Hasn’t worked completely, of course, but nothing made by man ever has, including the church.
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The above video posted was just posted on the Washington Post Facebook page. Reading the responses to the comments is interesting. One read: “Is the Godless left suppose to be an insult or a compliment.” Most of the replies I read were something like this: “I take it as a compliment.”
The truth of the struggle could not be clearer. The golden age of faith appeared to defeat the Communists, in the aftermath many became complacent. However, we must continue to be faithful no matter the cost. The temporal world is finite, let us pray to understand the rewards of faith in the City of God.
We cannot be afraid of the world’s judgment of our faith. Christ is love. The world nailed love to a cross. We must strive to be an example of his love! Christians must make an effort to explain the difference between telling the world what is sin and casting judgment upon those in the world.
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When that happens it always reminds reminds me of a conversation from one of Tom Clancy’s novels.
Jack Ryan commented that for a communist death was simply that, while for him it was a new beginning. He made the proviso that it was far wiser to be a believer and be wrong, than if one were an unbeliever and wrong. See; even worldly common sense says we should believe.
You’re right. We have known for 2000 years that the world will mock us, and attempt to hurt us, nothing new in that. We also know that we (well, God actually) have the correct answers, in this area, although on worldly questions we may or not.
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It appears that Tom Clancy relies on the ole’ Pascal’s wager. “Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true.”- Blaise Pascal.
There’s a lot of truth and wisdom in Pascal’s words. If you use them as a compliment to Aquinas “five ways,” it’s interesting to see the fervor of the secular attempt to squirm and scurry away from such thinking. If Aquinas is right, which many agree and even nonbelievers concede it’s difficult to disagree, there can be no moral relativism or culture theory. There is only “thy will be done.” It’s our duty to challenge Descartes’ “I think, therefore I am,” (the rationalist motto) and rather promote the reality that “I am, therefore I think.”
It’s not thought that determines existence, rather it’s existence that determines it.
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Yep, and no, he doesn’t. Clancy, himself, I don’t remember but the character, Ryan, is/as a seriously practicing Catholic.
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Here in the good ol US of A we have kicked god out of schools. No mention can be made about the bible or the God of Abraham. But on Halloween the walls are plasterd with witches and gobblins and ghosts and demons. My spin on this is that if god isn’t allowed, the Devil shouldn’t be allowed either.
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Good one Bosco!
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Geoffrey, good one , thanks. The next discussion should be on gun control since one leads to the other. I read a comment a couple of days ago that I will quote: Guns are good for, 1) target practice 2) taking out totalitarian governments 3) hunting, etc.
The Obama administration is obsessed with oppressing free speech and gun ownership. Obama is very thin skinned and hates opposition or debate of any kind. He has long since surrounded himself with the proverbial “yes man.” His daily defense briefings say what he wants to hear no matter what’s happening in the world. When his thankless military volunteers arrive back home, the ones who have fought his battles to the death, he wants to take their guns forever. They will never have the chance to defend themselves or their loved ones or their property. Now this does not happen everywhere, but in some large cities and counties, it does. At the same time those cities and counties have an armed police force to protect the government officials first and foremost. Then they are to protect the citizens. Luckily, here in the deep south and in the mid-west we have a populous that thinks otherwise. AND we will fight to the death for those rights. Molon labe.
Geoffrey, what gun ownership restrictions are placed on you over there across the pond?
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Don’t know Steve, if what I know is right, but my understanding is: Nothing but shotguns (what we would recognize mostly as skeet or upland guns, mostly doubles), those permitted rather heavily, and self-defense using them is likely to be charged as murder one, self-defense is not allowed, even in the home. I hear they are now working on sensible knife regulation. It’s an entire kingdom of very soft targets.
Molon Labe, indeed.
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Oh, and by the way, in 1940 we sent them close to a shipload of civilian weapons donated by our people, at the end of the war HMG confiscated and buried them. Bloody ungrateful Labor party.
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They were donated by members of the NRA and shipped free of charge. This was while my father was watching out, at night at top a school tower for German parachutists, armed with a slingshot.
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Yep, I learned about the disposal from you, as well.
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Geoffrey, I have a problem with all of this.
Yes – I agree with the right to free speech. Yes – I strongly uphold the right of someone to tell others exactly what the Holy Writ says about homosexual practise, as stated in the book of Leviticus.
I can’t help wondering, though, about the context in which this arose. Is quoting verses from Leviticus about homosexuality at people really what street preaching is all about? I don’t see examples of this in the New Testament. Even when Paul went to Greece, a society where male homosexuality was considered absolutely normal, his message on the streets of Athens was not ‘God doesn’t like poofs very much – as we see from the book of Leviticus’. In the examples of street preaching that we see in Holy Scripture, where the apostles are out on the streets, they proclaim 1) that Jesus was the Messiah and 2) that the Messiah must needs have suffered unto death (not necessarily in that order).
If I were ever jailed for proclaiming the Christian faith, I would like to think that it would be for proclaiming the good news, not for this.
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I agree, but the whole point of free speech is that people who disagree with us get to say so 🙂
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