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However hard I have tried this week, only not looking at news sites or listening to the radio or buying newspapers could I avoid the two names which are the title of this posting. The initial letter of their names apart, they have only one thing in common: they have expressed views which run contrary to the moral sensibilities of the commentariat which has led to cries that they be ‘banned’. Once, it might have served a purpose to point out the irony of people in favour of free speech wanting to ban others for freely expressing their views, but I have a sense we’ve moved past that now. Those who want to ban Trump and Tyson do not believe in free speech, and many of them make no pretence; they are full-blown censors who want to ban ideas. That, at this stage of our history, we have to point to the futility of trying to ban ideas, is a topic for another day, perhaps; here I want to concentrate on the two men.
Donald J Trump, as he likes to call himself (when I were a lad talking about yourself in the third person was thought be a clear sign that something wasn’t right) was born into privilege in the richest, freest and most dynamic country in the world; he enjoyed the best education money could buy, and remains, as he tells us, a billionaire. There is nothing new in rich men giving money to politicians, nor in their thinking they could do a better job. Aristotle warned of the dangers of demagoguery, and to see a rich, well-educated man pandering to the prejudices of the masses has about itself something distasteful. He has one point, and it is a point democratic leaders across the globe would do well to ponder, and it is this: our leaders are badly out of touch with the views of many of those they govern, and as a result, faith in democracy is slipping away. I doubt it has gone far enough to let Trump be President – but it is a sign, an omen, of what could be to come if our leaders do not take heed. Banning him from the UK is not going to happen, and if it does, then our leaders will be playing to another set of prejudices, which are not so called because they are fashionable among the commentariat.
Tyson Fury, by contrast, was born to poverty and exclusion as a member of a persecuted minority which it is now fashionable to call Travellers, but which when I were a lad were called ‘Gypsies’. He received the sort of education those born where he was born received – which is to say none to speak of. Born to poverty and struggle, he took a route common among men in such circumstances – he took to boxing. His fists have brought him fortune and fame. They also brought him to the attention of a commentariat which would have been happy to have patronised him and feted him, had it not been for one simple fact. Tyson Fury is a born-again Christian, whose views on things the commentariat approve of – homosexuality and women’s place is society – are those to be expected of one from his background. When he spoke of homosexuality, paedophilia and abortion having to be ‘accomplished’, tone-deaf critics accused him of comparing the three and sought to demonise him. They called for him to be prosecuted and withdrawn from some BBC programme designed, so it claims, to celebrate sporting achievement. Was Mr Fury from an underprivileged and deprived background with no education? None of this was any excuse for him having views so unfashionable.
What he was talking about, of course, was the sort of apocalyptic events our own Bosco loves to mention – the end times. What he was trying to say was that all these bad thing would have to be accomplished before the Lord came again. People whose ignorance of apocalyptic thinking had no excuse other than their own inattention to education, rushed to judge one with every excuse for a poor eduction. That is unedifying, and as much a display of bigotry as the one they accuse Mr Fury of.
What an unpleasant, censorious and self-righteous lot the commentariat are. Now if only Mr Fury had claimed he self-identified as a woman, he’d have been a shoo-in for Sports Personality of the Year.
Trump and Tyson are in so many ways Alpha and Omega, but they provide a health-check on the commitment of our society to free speech which is turning to flashing red. No doubt some will suppose that in not condemning Mr Fury, I am condoning his views. To those I invite a more careful reading, and a short course in apocalyptic thinking – it might even stop them tweeting for a few moments.
Absolutely! However, one has to remember that the commentariat talks a lot, but often from the back of their head* – lots of opinion but little substance to back it up! 😉 Unfortunately people tend to nod and agree before thinking about the subject in hand. Dangerous stuff.
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My local radio had a phone in the other day, and the presenter introduced it by saying ‘was it right that Tyson should be able to say things the majority found abhorrent?’ I had no idea why he thought a majority agreed with his own view, but oddly, they did not have time to feature my call 🙂
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I’m not familiar with Tyson Fury (though I love boxing, I have not followed it now that it has become so commercial that one need spend a King’s ransom to watch a fight. I am familiar with the Travelers though (we have a town called Traveler’s Rest here in SC) and the educatin that most of them get is in how to run a con game and swindle others out of their money.
But to your point . . . I think that both sound shine the light on the Media and the Elites who want to have control of things and want to tell us what we think. Their success with the people (no matter what you think of them or their ideas) is refreshing. For Trump is answerable to no elite or no mass media . . . in fact, he makes a mockery of them . . . for which I am grateful. Perhaps he is just what we need to rid us of the constipation that has built up in politics and the media in this country.
The more they try to deprive him of his first ammendment rights the more they find that this fellow is not going to behave as most men and jump through the hoops that they want. They did not ‘make’ the man and it seems that they are frustrated that they also cannot seem to ‘break’ him. They are at their wits end.
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You are fortunate in having the First Amendment. We have no such protection. I, like about everyone else, had never heard of Mr Fury (can that really be his name?) until he won the titles. Like you, I stopped following the circus about the time Mike Tyson kicked off. But I bet if the fellow were a Muslim there would not have been these calls 🙂
Trump? Well, he’s a symptom, as I suggest, of a sick system when lots of ordinary folks are feeling let down and left out.
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Indeed the underlying anger at the system is being revealed much to the consternation of the Hollywood Royalty, the PC Police, the MSM, and the Crony Capitalists (Special Interests) and the Political Elite Pundits. We’re about sick to death of them and what to clean throw them out with the trash.
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It;’s happening here and in France and in other parts of Europe – a reckoning is coming unless the elite change – and they won’t.
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My fear is that they will not change either which usually means that they will double-down and tighten control on speech and activities of the people . . . all which, set the stage for civil unrest and/or outright civil war.
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As the Left in the Communist bloc found, you can’t silence all of the people all of the time forever.
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Indeed . . . the solidarity movement in Poland was interesting in that there was little bloodshed . . . perhaps that will become the model for civil unrest going forward rather than a bloody coup.
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We are, but sadly, like all our rights, they were your rights, that you sold for a little temporary safety. it’s hard to regain them, but you won them originally.
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Geoffrey, good post. Would you take a few words, or lead me to articles, to explain what protections you do have way over there across the pond? I wonder, could I as a British citizen, utter words, or type on a keyboard (heaven forbid), thoughts contrary to the Queen, or to express disgust at unjust laws, or to point out to some heathens what sin is? Are MP’s exempt? Who sets the standards? Somehow, I seem to think this may be in some way the reason why Muslim man were able to rape your young ladies in Rotherham over such a long period of time.
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We’re free to say what we like unless it is against the Law. Once this meant anything which was not actually slanderous – so, unless you accused the PM of being a rapist or murderer, you could do as you liked. Then in the 60s they introduced the Race Relations Act which made discriminatory behaviour – and language – a crime. More recently they have brought in the concept of ‘hate speech’ which means you can be caught up for almost anything if someone reports you to the police. The latter, terrified of being told they are racist homophobes, investigate anything in these areas in a way they don’t if you get burgled. I’ve no doubt this is why they could not be bothered investigating youg white working class girls having casual sex with Asians.
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Thanks. These new discrimination laws didn’t seem to help a lot with The Troubles. I guess a clash of cultures is never good; best to take out the clash. But how? Limiting those that cause that clash, seems good to me. If they won’t change their language and dress and honor our laws, then they can’t come in.
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The secret is out, the Secret Service gives codes names to those they protect, all Presidential Candidates. However, Donald Trump has self-selected his own—HUMBLE.
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Now that is, as the kids say, lol!
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Im all for Trump. Even though I let the Lord handle things, Trump might close the boarders to all these unfortunates and criminals. My girlfriend had a doctors appointment in san Bernardino at 3 PM the day of the killing spree. The killers hadn’t been caught yet and I told her I wasn’t sure she should go there.
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Sounds as though she had a fortunate escape, Bosco – for which thanks to God.
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The killers were shot full of holes as she was on her way to the appointment.
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I am glad she was spared.
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Very kind of you my brother. I was convinced the killers would strike again. And she was on her way to a doctors office and the killers had struck a health care facility.
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Do we think that Trump is saved, dear brother Bosco?
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Trump is as saved as you are.
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Lovely post Geoffrey – I don’t know what Mr Trump has on his head, but I hope he has a licence for it. Mr Fury’s views were the norm not that long ago, of course.
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Good sister, I might register to vote and if I do, im voting good brother Trump. Im not registered because I don’t like the govt knowing im alive and where I live. The govt is wicked and evil.
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Don’t you have a social security number? Doesn’t that mean they know where you are?
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Not necessarily, although they do know where you work, probably, and what you talk about on your cel-phone, and the internet.
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One of the advantages of where I am most of the time is that they’d need to plant listening devices 🙂 xx
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Yep, that is so. But we miss your leadership, although we understand. 🙂 xx
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Thank you, dearest friend. I thought I’d stay late and catch up, which I have, so I think a few moments of pleasure here are quite in order. Quite looking forward to having more time after Easter 🙂 xx
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Aye, so am I, but still I’m so very grateful that you are here at all. 🙂 xx
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Me too – Deo Gratias! 🙂 xx
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Amen and amen 🙂 xx
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One just for you, dearest friend
“Look at a day when you are supremely satisfied at the end. It’s not a day when you lounge around doing nothing; it’s a day you’ve had everything to do and you’ve done it.”
― Margaret Thatcher
🙂 xx
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Yay – that’s a good one, and I shall quote it to you know who 🙂 xx
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I’m sure you shall! 🙂 xx
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🙂 xx
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America is like a bad boyfriend.
He’s got so many medals and is so athletic but is a total jerk!
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Sandra Bullock stars in Gravity: Government Shut-down Special Edition!
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America’s government shut-down two years ago? I didn’t notice.
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I’m registered as an Independent. We’re not brainwashed morons like everyone else is. There are literally two parties dominating America that need to be vanquished. Though many will say these are the Republicans and the Democrats, the reality is these are the Anti-Republicans and the Anti-Democrats. Regardless, both of these parties are ruining America. Check out our Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/antidemsreps/
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Nor have I followed Mr. Fury, what a great name! But as for Trump, yep, he’s symbol and an outcome best summed up as:
“The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice
right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow–with his sullen set eyes
on your own,
And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon
alone.
“You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your
Picardy spears;
But don’t try that game on the Saxon; you’ll have the whole
brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained
serf in the field,
They’ll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise,
you will yield.”
To put our attitude in perspective, “Welcome to 1641” We’ve had just about enough of this king, AND his corrupt parliament, as well.
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Indeed we have and we don’t want another look-a-like either.
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I think we have better candidates than Trump, in the primary. But if he wins the nomination, I’m with Bosco on this one. 🙂
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As am I. My preference has been Cruz from the beginning but I’ll take a Trump anyday over another round of SSDD (for non-Americans you can find the meaning in the Urban Dictionary). 🙂
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Cruz is my second, I really like Carly’s grasp of the issues, but either suits me fine. 🙂
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I liked Carly in the beginning but now am seeing her as a typical politician. Her latest outrage with Trump was rather revealing. My views are expressed better by Pat Buchanan on this Muslim Immigration Freeze: http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/an-establishment-unhinged/
You’ve probably read it but it is what I feel most ordinary citizens are thinking if not saying outright.
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Any number of variations of it. I quote Ben Domenech today in mine:
“The first priority of the United States government and the president is to secure our liberties – it always has been, and always ought to be.”
We owe no consideration whatsoever to foreign people, with the possible exception o our friends. We, the people, instituted this government to preserve our rights, anything else is incidental, and should be based on our best interest.
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Right on the money. Nobody has a constitutional right to infiltrate and disestablish this government and way of life. This PC garbage that would rather show off their sweet thoughts and admirable virtues rather than protect the nation are a pox on this land of ours. If they want to commit suicide fine . . . just don’t ask me to join you.
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As some have said, “Lock and Load”! And that is the great service that Donald Trump is providing us, he’s moving the discussion.
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A discussion that is long overdue.
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Indeed it is, at least 50 years this storm has been brewing.
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It has. These mental midgets are just now catching on that they have been found out and they are throwing a hissy fit.
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It’s nice to see America standing up again, although a bit scary.
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I prefer being scared and motivated to do something rather than the alternatives we have been living: which seemed rather hopeless and full of despair.
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Concur!
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and in truth, she has to find a way to get into the media, if that means attacking Trump, well, she has few means left.
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I know. There may be many who are up against it . . . that have to be typical opportunistic politicians if they want the position . . . but I still hate it that they use the PC media and the PC talk to undermine and advance themselves. Perhaps its all they can do but we are, as a people, rather sick of it.
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I know and agree, and think much of the fault lies with the RNC
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Indeed so. This latest attempt to have a brokered convention will, I predict, backfire. If push comes to shove, do they think that Trump will go silent into the night? He will then run as an Independent and will either be a spoiler or will win. They best take up a neutral stance if they are truly acting in the best interests of the party.
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Yep, and if they nominate a GOPe candidate, Trump will run, and likely the GOP will join the Whigs. Can he beat Hillary!? That I don’t know but he’ll outpoll Perot by a bunch.
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By what I have gathered he is polling much more favorably than they like among the hispanics, blacks and poor of this country which is the base of the Democratic party. So who knows? I think he has a good shot at upending Hillary.
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I think he has a good one, the Democrats have been abusing the blacks horribly lately, why the R’s can’t make that point, I have no idea. Much the same with legal hispanics, women, and the poor in general. The Democrats really are the party of Wall Street and if the Republicans were not the stupid party they would long since have come back to being the party of Main Street.
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True that. They either have no guts and thereby no glory or they have been convinced that they must also be PC and go along with whatever the narrative that is being set by the Progressives. Of course, some actually are progressive republicans as well. What a mess the parties have become.
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‘d Souza nailed when he said the Washington party (or whatever his exact words were) and the country party.
Unfortunately it may take pitchforks, tar, and smoothbores to solve it this time as well.
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It might if they refuse to go and double down against our liberties and rights . . . like trying to disarm us. I doubt smoothbores will be the weapons of choice though. 🙂
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From my sidebar:
“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
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Amen to that. We are either a nation of, by and for the people or we are not. Lately we have not been . . . about time for that to change.
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Agreed, and if we have to burn it all down, we will.
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Perhaps we can follow the solidarity movement tactics . . . it worked for them but I’m not sure how it will work here.
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Should work, and certainly worth trying, and certainly better than an open civil war, still again.
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It is a worrying phenomenon Neo – it is as though our leaders think we are stupid – just because some of us vote for them!
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It is, and I too think they will double down, especially when I see yours pandering to the EU, and ours pandering to who know who. Marine le Pen, isn’t my cup of tea, but the French election should have been a wake up call.
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We might best save some immigration quotas for the Brits and other Western Europeans rather than filling all the slots with enemies of freedom and democracy. 🙂
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I never did really understand (from the country’s standpoint) why LBJ was so enthusiastic about people who never understood ‘rule through and under the law”. We need all the good Brits and such we can find. 🙂
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I second that. And the day I am elected all free-loving Brits and Western Europeans who are not on the dole will be welcomed with open arms. 🙂
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“Give us your tired, your poor, your downtrodden (by the government) masses. I lift my light by the golden door.” That what you mean?
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Yes indeed. I wish more people understood those words in the context of the Jewess author who was speaking to the down-trodden Jews in Russia not to a bunch of deadbeats and revolutionaries.
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Couldn’t agree more!
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Here in Europe we are rapidly going down the toilet – to use a precise historical term – but I’m not too confident in American immigration techniques.
Having spent a week in the USA once (in 2009) at the invitation of the Franciscan Friars of the Atonement in New York, I had a rather rosy view of your country for a short while, as they tried to poach me from the Archdiocese of Southwark in England; but then they stabbed me in the back, gave away the game, and I lost my place in seminary in Rome, when they decided they didn’t want me as I was too old and let the archdiocese know that I had been actively seeking to join them. So I was thrown out by Southwark.
That statue of Liberty never looked the same since. Nor did my vocation.
I am amazed I am still a Catholic, but I will never now be an American! Praise the Lord!
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That is the same precise historical term I would use and it won’t surprise you that the Catholic Church in America is going down that same drain. Your story is not as sad as others and for some strange reason does not surprise me in the least. I understand, believe me. But chin up, my friend, as there is a strong remnant here and a good sized bunch of folks who still care about freedom and personal liberty. Nothing wrong with our governance (just like the Church) . . . it is simply the egregious governors that have corrupted a people that is becoming swiftly as PC as the EU.
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Bravo!
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You know, whenever we get into these discussions, I’m reminded of this:
“Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy.”
― Margaret Thatcher
That pretty much defines the differences between the old world and us.
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