So,the Synod is over, and there we have it – the final statement which is, we are told a great improvement on the working drafts. Already liberal Catholics are ‘virtue signalling’ by tweeting and writing about ‘mercy’ as though they have just discovered it and think they own it. The spin machine of the German bishops is in overdrive, with claims that they got what they wanted. But one wonders? The Pope chose to make some sour comments about ‘closed hearts’, following the modernist view that an open heart is synonymous with an empty head, which hardly suggest he feels that the liberal agenda is now approved. It is clear what the Pope would like, but a Pope is a Pope, and they come, and they go, and this one has done what one suspects his backers wanted – and their throw of the dice has failed – although they will loudly proclaim otherwise.
There is a generation, which for the sake of convenience, one might call the ’68ers’ – it makes better sense in French where they refer to the ‘soixante huitards‘ – who thought that the tide of liberalism of 1968 marked a decisive change in the direction of history; they thought they were riding that tide. Those who did so in the secular world were right, but their religious counterparts were not so fortunate from the point of view of their careers. It is true that being so many, some of them have reached senior positions in the Church, but John Paul II and Benedict XVI proved stout defenders of orthodoxy, and with a younger generation of Western priests coming through in that mould, and with African and Asian priests of impeccable orthodoxy, the 68ers were running out of time. Benedict XVI’s unexpected abdication led to their being able to get their man in. The two Synods were their throw of the dice – and they have lost. The tide of history was not moving in their direction – they are dinosaurs stranded on sandbanks as the tide goes out.
They will, as is their wont, try to use words to mean what they want the words to mean, and those who agree with them will do the same; but that is hardly a new development – they have been doing it for fifty years – and longer – there is a reason the English use the word ‘Jesuitical’ as a synonym for casuistry. However, the speed of modern social media has meant that attempts to rig the Synod have not only been spotted, but called out and combatted. Those who were worried about a liberal triumph will continue to be, but many of these seem uncomfortable with the very existence of a liberal Catholicism; what is notable here is that even with a rigged Synod, the liberal agenda did not prevail. Given the age profile of the liberals and the fact that the rising generation is the John Paul II one, with heavy reinforcement from Africa and Asia, the demographics are against the German Cardinals. A group who can call for mercy towards those who reject established Catholic teaching, but show none to people who don’t pay their Church tax, and who are presiding over emptying pews in a Continent where the faith is ebbing fast, are in no position to claim to control the future.
Back when these men in their 70s were young, the culture they were in was one in which many were Catholics without thinking about it, and some such went into seminaries in much the same way. Some left in the sixties and early seventies, some stayed on thinking that things would change and that they could help. The passive-aggressive bitterness which marks so many of their utterances is the produce of hope deferred, and it feels almost cruel to tell them that they are a dying breed – but they are. As I commented in a recent piece in the Catholic Herald (not alas on line) the liberal option in religion leads to the Dignitas euthanasia clinic. The Faith, and the Church, will march on, and the soixante huitards will become yet another interesting sociological phenomenon to be studies by those with a taste for such things. Men attached to once-fashionable nostrums have their opinions, God has his Law, and we should be in no doubt about who will prevail.
My read as well, although I haven’t been keeping up. It also looks to me that even their secular compatriots, while perhaps winning game, and set, are losing match, not necessarily to an opponent they foresaw, but to a combination of Islam/radical Islamist refugees (or perhaps invasion) and to the death of the population of Europe, who followed them.
And so, even there, a Phyrric victory.
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I both admire your analysis and optimism, my friend, and think that largely you have done well to sort this crisis out over the long-run of Church History. However, it seems to me a bit presumptuous to declare the change agents extinct as it would be to go fishing and claim that you have caught all the fish. Neither is true and there is nothing changed in the environs that produced these types of liberal progressives. It seems the world is still secular and the Church is still somehow intent on making peace with them and negotiating with it. Education is still liberal, and getting worse daily. The seminaries are still struggling to get good men to occupy a seat in their classrooms and the liturgy that they learn and say is still as devoid of Catholic Doctrine and dysfunctional as a ‘practice’ that is derived from its Traditional “deposit of faith.’
I would at least caution those who might let their guard down whilst rejoicing at landing one good blow to the nose of these change agenst that this does not count them out of the fight. There is always the same temptations to heresy and apostasy and sin that produce these mutants within our fortress; they will claim they are more merciful than Christ, more welcoming of the sinner, less critical of sins (usually because it these same sins that they also suffer from) and they, of course, are more enlightened and have the remedy for the Church and all her shortcomings.
In some ways, we might say that simply having this Synod and that it was taken seriously in the first place was a loss without ever needing to produce a document. Time will tell, who wins the PR battle in the MSM. I have a sneaking hunch that it will be the same ones who win in the secualar arena.
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The first requisite here is that one takes the relativism seriously, because, as you say it is there in society, and it is therefore bound to be there in the Church, especially in the West. This is where being the Universal Catholic Church matters. We, in the West, will continue to struggle to get enugh good men, but the rest of the world is there and will have to fill the gaps we leave. I don’t think there is any room to let down our guard any time soon, but if the liberals could not get open acceptance of what they wanted at this time, they won’t find a better one. Of course the Pope may well produce a document which many will not like, but the liberals have taught us well how we receive such papal documents; there is a double-edged sword in their methodology here!
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Indeed, so C. They cannot win the war but they will make life miserable as long as they are lurking about, sniping here and there, skirmishing with the orthodoxy and praxis. We must always try to keep up the good fight for Christ is King not these jackals.
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There are always those who make life miserable for us in the Church – part of the cross we bear, alas!
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A better portrayal of our dinosaurs perhaps? I think they roll their own . . .
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCMGnyIeh4MgCFQl6PgodK-EL2g&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frihost.com%2Fforums%2Fvt-60185.html&psig=AFQjCNHm9b-v10T8_vB81JYzZn5XxrKh0g&ust=1445953056451369
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sorry . . . don’t know why that happened. Anyway it was the image of the old Larson cartoon where the dinosaurs are all lighing up.
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I’ll try again:

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Very good Chalcedon. More tomorrow. I’m way too busy……….pray for me please. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I shall ginny.
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And now for the counterpoint argument:
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Was there any likely result that would have satisfied Remnant TV?
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C, will you also dismiss Fyodor Dostoevsky? http://reginaprophetarum.org/audio/20151025-Grand-Inquisitor-and-the-King.mp3
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As he was not a Catholic are you sure you want him as a key witness?
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Listen to the sermon, the priest quotes his novel The Brothers Karamazov, and likens it to today.
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I did – when people confuse fiction and reality, you get the sort of confusion that clip suggests exists.
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The contents and logic of their analysis is what is important . . . not your long-standing bias for the Remnant. Is it a valid take of the outcome possibility or not? I think that we cannot ever know the future and that their couterpoint as to what that will be is as valid and well-founded as any.
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It is an hysterical take – so much displacement activity. There is not going to be anyone using force – and the language used about the Church echoes Bosco.
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Is that language ‘about the Church’ or the Modernist’s who attempt to seize the Church? Are they not speaking of protecting the Church and Her Honor? Any comparison with an unfounded tirade of expletives without sound reason or historical references seems to me to dismiss their argument by labeling their understanding of the outcome with Bosco. It seems a bit extreme to dismiss them . . . both highly educated in Church teaching rather than to reduce them to simple hate-mongers . . . which they are not.
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I was shocked by the want of balance and common sense. If you regard the existence of liberal views as heresy then you end up seeing modernists everywhere. The Pope is the Pope, he didn’t get his way here, and those who are fearful of the outcome are railing against the results of an Ecumenical Council fifty years ago. The Church is guaranteed to survive, and will even survive some of its friends.
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Balance? It was their opinion of the outcome. That does not warrant a debate of the other side . . . there are other arguments aplenty such as your own Cardinal Nichols: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/10/has-the-synod-offered-a-pathway-to-destruction.html?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=standingonmyhead_102715UTC011005_daily&utm_content=&spMailingID=49872361&spUserID=Nzg4MDE5MTk1ODcS1&spJobID=783806158&spReportId=NzgzODA2MTU4S0
I do see modernists everywhere: you don’t?
And you do not see the connection of today’s Synodal Process itself in Vatican II? Or the German Bishop’s stance as coming from the “Spirit of Vatican II” itself?
Did they say that the Church would not survive or did they actually say that it is up to the people and good clergy to resist and right the Ark of Peter? They are not saying that the Church is finished . . . just taking on more water (yes, modernist water to be sure).
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I find the need to attach labels to my fellow Catholics unhelpful. I think some are wrong, but they hold the same view of me; it may well be that in places and at times we all err; but I think in the end mutual respect is a better way to proceed. What’s the alternative? Civil war?
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I don’t think so, C. I think you meet them where they are at. If they make foolish arguments you point them out . . . if they expound heresy you point it out . . . if they are modernists . . . you point them out . . . if they propose novelty . . . you point them out. But, and this is crucial, you do not follow their lead simply because they have a red hat . . . or any other red hat . . . if you think that they are destroying the faith. The Church is Christ’s foremost and these are the caretakers. If they abuse their power, and many have and will, then we stand firm with Christ and the faith as best as we have come to understand it. I doubt it will come to actual physical war . . . but martyrdom is not out of the question as it does show us who the quislings are.
For all this talk of ‘conscience’ . . . the well formed part needs be at the center of anyone who does take a stance in opposition to these Princes. That is where the difficulty lies . . . for it is easy enough to say that our own is well-formed and another is not. On the downside one is guilty of pride or a lack of humility. Yet, if one does not stand firm, when one does have a well-formed conscience, then you are guilty of cowardice and a lack of fortitude. Each will have to make up their own mind and act accordingly.
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And that is precisely what happened here, and some holding the line were Princes of the Church. As I said yesterday, the age-profile and demographics of liberalism suggest this was their last and best chance – and they muffed it!
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I tend to agree with the idea that nobody actually won . . . all lost something and all were given something.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/10/de-mattei-failed-synod-everyone.html
Indeed good men stood their ground and bad men stood theirs and there will be changes . . . for the good want none but the others do . . . such as you own Nichols.
As for my wife who handles these cases for her parish, she refuses to budge. If they want to change things to a case of conscience within the divorced and the leniency of the bishop or priest, she will give up the duty or face losing her job. Either way, she has principles that she cannot violate but it will not stop a thing should they want to continue this ‘year of mercy’ relaxation of moral teaching. Once relaxing of a law or penance is enacted, it is difficult if not impossible to reinstate it.
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Yes, if conscience is to be respected, it cuts both ways.
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Indeed it does though there are not many left that even exercise it at all. They treat as they would a problem in society; they go along to simply get along.
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Well, that has long been so. I doubt Cardinal Richelieu or Wolsey lived the life of an Apostle, and, thank God, we have not had a Borgia Pope in centuries!
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I agree and that is what I was trying to say. There are only so many men and women in the Church willing to give their all to what they consider the Will of God . . . even if it means going against the princes of the Church or martyrdom. Though, I would suppose that the earliest Christians, such as those who died in the Coliseum, were a bit more convinced and commanded by their rightly informed consciences. Perhaps that is because they fought for the centrality of faith and not these peripheral issues that can be manipulated and distorted.
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Indeed it is so, and always has been. That is one of many reasons we should not despair.
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No despair . . . just a call to arms: spiritual arms that is.
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That we must always heed!
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God has his Law, and we should be in no doubt about who will prevail.
So who is this that shall no doubt prevail? You act like this is a football game. Either one is saved or one isn’t. Your costumes can talk all they want. But are you born again?
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Either one is in the Church founded by Jesus or one isn’t.
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His first sentence is dead on point, and correct.
The second is pejorative, but you know it’s no worse than I have said here of Lutheran clergy, or any of you traditionalist Catholics have of your hierarchy, actually less, he didn’t call them heretics, which I have read here numerous times, about your Pope, except never by a Protestant. Some balance is called for, instead of attempting to establish a traddie Catholic blog here, without doing the work of making it.
Freedom of speech means that everyone has a right to offend, although it should be used somewhat wisely, which is why Bosco’s comments are moderated.
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Good brother Neo, the catholics consider you hell fodder. So while you rake me over the coals, remember that they call you a heretic.
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No they don’t – except for one, who speaks only for himself. It is no accident that you support his line. Extremists need each other.
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Good brother Neo is a Lutheran. You cathols have nothing but vile contempt for good brother Martin Luther.
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You are one of only two people round here who shows contempt for others – when you leave your glass house, you’ll be in a better position to throw stones. How odd, you claim to know Jesus and there is no sign of his love or example in anything you write. You sound like the Pharisees he denounced.
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Here we go again: “costumes” used as a pejorative; the “born again” question which has been explained about 10,000 times.
Seems it is time to simply ban the clown, C . . . AATW is a place of discussion when our own “suicide bomber” in clown regalia is absent . . . but when here, he turns this site into a side show that is not worth the time to follow much less comment to.
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Agree. But, Dave, I fear that you & I will be long gone from this blog before C listens to us, the lowly.
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the “born again” question which has been explained about 10,000 times.
You mean….explained away.
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Hello C. Are these “soixante huitards” anything like the gals who burnt their bras publically or those who generally weren’t far away, the guys burning their draft cards? Not my cup o tea actually and I do drink coffee. Starbucks Morning Joe mostly. And I never once let anyone even see my bra publicly let alone torch it. Can’t imagine that one little bit. Have you any idea how much a good bra costs? I should stop. This could devolve to sinful rapidly. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Yes, they are – and as the father of two girls, I have a very good idea what good bras cost!
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P.S. I’m personally very grateful the Synod is over. I have tons of stuff to read and watch and digest before I can speak about it all and say something meaningful. Perhaps in a few days I will here. God bless. Ginnyfree
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You’re very wekcome, ginny.
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very Wek come? Is that a hiccup? I know, it is well past 5 there were you are so it’s okay if you’re a little sloshed. You can type better in the morning when you’ve sobered up. it this place had a spellchecjer, no onne would no how drunk some of us are at our keeeeborads. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I think the keyboard is sticking – took much wine🍷
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