I found this via Gene Veith, at Cranach, From “God is dead” to “too many gods”. Gene is a Missouri Synod Lutheran whom I have always found to have very sound opinions and thinking on our faith. Much of this article is drawn from Peter Berger’s (who is an important sociologist of religion and not incidently an ELCA Lutheran) interview with Gregor Thuswaldner for The Cresset, which can be found here. The interview took place on 12 September 2013, so a few things have developed since.
We’re going to cover a lot of ground quickly here, so you’ll likely want to follow the links at some point, otherwise I’ll be writing a book! 🙂
First some of you may be familiar with the secularization thesis. Its heyday was in the fifties and sixties. It held (and in a few cases holds) that modernity inevitability produces a decline of religions. It was held by just about everyone in the field. But in one of those funny occurrences, the data didn’t support the thesis, and so as is supposed to happen, the thesis was (mostly) discredited.
Part of that was that the world is not heavily secularized, in fact, it is arguably more religious than it has ever been. Note that for this discussion we are including all religions, we as Christians may say and believe they are false religions, but they are not non-religions. there are two major exceptions to that: Central and Western Europe, and an intellectual class.
So the theory is wrong, that means there is room for a new theory, and so it has proved: that theory is pluralism. And the theory states that modernism does necessarily produce plurality, which means in his context: The coexistence in the same society of different worldviews and value systems.
And that changes religion’s status, and it’s a challenge, not the challenge of God being dead, but the challenge of too many gods. That’s a different challenge. Theodore Kuhn in his The Structure of Scientific Revolution said that when one theoretical paradigm collapses it open up the possibility of new paradigms. That is indeed exciting, at least intellectually, and sometimes on the ground as well.
About Europe
Professor Berger cooperated with Grace Davie, a professor at the University of Exeter, in the UK, on a book in 2008 (Religious America, Secular Europe), she is also a CofE lay canon. they came to the conclusion that there are eight reasons, and we’re not going to go into all of them (not least because the interview didn’t). But I also think it’s true that no important event has a single cause.
The one talked about here is the relation between church and state. All of the major traditions, Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox—all were or are a state church. As in so many things, Britain comes off as sort of a middle ground, or maybe a microcosm, because its tradition of nonconformism is considerably stronger, and dissent in both directions is quite a little higher. In the US, pluralism began almost at once, albeit unwillingly. There were just too many Quakers, or Puritans, or low church Anglicans to hang them all, nor could you convert them all, and so they had to learn to get along better. In truth, there’s more than a little of this in England as well.
One of the problems with a state church, of course, is if you get irritated with the state, you’re likely to get irritated with its church as well, not to mention vice-versa. That’s not very good for the church or the state, and it echoes down history. You’ll note that in the French Revolution after they got rid of (most) aristocrats, it wasn’t long until they came for the clergy.
And the Elites
Berger posits that it is a particular type of elite, specifically grounded in the social sciences and the humanities, not so much the natural (or hard) sciences. Again we run into pluralism, and the relativism of worldviews and values, which affects the people in literature, or history, or anthropology more than it does chemists or engineers (I would say because 2+2 is not subject to being relative).
He notes that we are seeing a massive change in this, using the example of Turkey. The Kemalist elite was very secular, indeed, and now they are finding their children are returning to that old time Islam or even its Islamist form. this happened as Turkey democratised, the people were never all that secular, supposedly, which makes sense to me. And so now, Turkey’s intelligentsia is becoming islamicised or even Islamist, which is not particularly good news for Europe, I suspect.
He also speaks a bit of Sweden, which has at least been portrayed as a sort of secular heaven. Well, what they thought so obvious, hasn’t seemed so when confronted with African Pentecostals, let alone fundamentalist Muslims. This is something that has gotten worse, according to reports, as Malmø, and other areas, become the rape capital of Europe, as well as a seriously increasing violent crime rate. Not to mention who is going to support all these immigrants, who seem indisposed to work. If I was in Germany, I’d be worrying about Merkel’s plans.
To be continued in Part 2, where we’ll speak of why the United States is different.
I think one of the overlooked ingredients in all of this is the difference between those who change the social terrain in which everyone must live and those who are effecting the change: the elite, the rich, the powerful. Such people have a feeling of control whilst those who live with their decisions feel rather like their is no terra firma to which they can rely. Looking for a rock that is fixed, immutable, unchangeable, such as Truth, is written in the hearts of men. As the elite rely upon themselves to create their own reality, they can, and do, ignore this need in their nature. For the rest, these folks simply aggravate the need for finding something outside of themselves that makes a difference and makes sense of the suffering, the poverty, the lack of work, the disentigrating fabric of family and much else. When the major faiths play the role of welcoming to the landscape of the elite secular world, those outside of this small cadre find a different reality: left to cope with a constantly changing world and constantly changing truths within their established religions. Some find a way to hang on to the founding truths (read: Biblical or Traditional) for the Christian aspect of this sociology, and many find themselve abandoned by the constant changes in that aspect of their lives as well: thus new religions or nones or swapping Christiantiy for Islam, Buddhism or some occult relitgion that has withstood this secular assault. It is always a shock to the professors when the oppressed, even for centuries, emerge, after the oppression disappears, and reestablish themselves: Christianity in China, Russia and Japan live on . . . though at one time was thought esterminated.
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I don’t think you wrong, and tomorrows will sketch a bit in that direction, because I think it more of a factor with our self-selecting elite than in Europe.
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I think the elite is always ‘self-selecting’ (and I like that phrase a lot). From royalty to the very rich to those who think they are smarter than everyone else and finding a present elite to either overthrow as a common enemy or one that can be swayed to back the coming elite that will wear proudly carry the banner for the next generations.
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Truth in that as well, but ours tend to turn over quicker. The old phrase was shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations. Of course there are exceptions, like the Adams family that lasted 5 or so, still short by even English standards, although the Cons have made a difference there.
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Good point, my friend though a better own until these last few centuries where a candidate to office must raise huge amounts of money or gather the support of the rich and the elite. The myth, we still hold out hope for, is that a populist elite can be elected without the nod from the established elite . . . but it is the elite who creates the narratives and forms the minds of the people in their political and ideological leanings. It is a hard, though not impossible, stumbling block to how the system is rigged for a particular outcome.
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Yeah, but in large part it’s always been that way, running for office always cost money, the sole exception in likely Washington himself.
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True. The government, of, by and for the people is our goal . . . but it does not often work out that way. It is amazing, however, because of the faster turnover of political elites (though congressmen and senators seem to make a life’s work of it) that we haven’t had more disastrous examples than we do.
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Ha! You quote Wycliffe like a good Lollard, yet! 🙂
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Evangelical poverty is OK . . . it is striving for real poverty as if that is a virtue that gets to me. 🙂
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Yep. We all need to learn more, but why we want to starve others, is beyond me!
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You’d have to be a Marxist to understand how that is a good to be desired. Though I don’t think you are educable in this and neither am I . . . off to the ovens with us, I’m afraid.
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Yep, we have at least two strikes; we’re Christians, and we’re able to smell bovine excrement at a distance. We don’t shut up very well, either!
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Willing to be martyrs but not sheep . . . much to their consternation.
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Yep, that’s where their plans always fall apart. You’ll fall for anything if you stand for nothing, as they always say!
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It’s hard to guage how many like us who live in silence and have not yet come to the obvious conclusion. Many feel uneasy but think it is a medical condition or a misunderstanding. Other merely close their eyes and don’t follow the news because it only makes them reach for their Xanax. 🙂
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BTW: I am happy that Trey Gowdy is on the job with Hillary (the elitist extraordinaire) and proud his is a son of the state I call home. 🙂
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I’m not watching. Is he doing a good job, I was afraid he wouldn’t-let alone the rest of the squishes.
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He’s tough. He just went toe to toe with Elijah Cummings before the recess and is not holding back anything from his questioning of Hillary. So far, he’s been true to his reputation of being a tough prosecutor.
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Good on him. I hoped he would. Cummings is just a pitiful Uncle Tom on the plantation, isn’t he?
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Sure is . . . he always plays the fiddle and dances when asked.
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Surely does. I can’t even bring myself to really dislike him, just pitiful.
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It’s the price you pay to join the elites.
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Glad I wasn’t asked!
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I must not be awake yet. This discussion was very hard to follow until…”You’d have to be a Marxist to understand…off to the ovens with us…we’re able to smell bovine excrement at a distance”…I’m well awake now!
Thanks guys, you’re better than a pot of coffee.
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It is pretty heavy, academic stuff is like that, but I think it has some insights for us, even so. 🙂
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I agree, proceed!
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