Today we mark the feast of the Blessed John Henry Newman – one of the spiritual and intellectual giants of the Church. His life spanned almost the whole of the noneteenth century. He was born in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars and died only a quarter of a century before the Great War. He came to Christ as a schoolboy, and the rest of his life was a pilgrimage to know and love him more.
A Calvinist at first, Newman came by degrees to understand something so many still fail to grasp, which is that Christianity has a history. Yes, we are born again into a new life, but that life is in the context of the church founded by Christ. The more Newman delved into history, the less certain he became that the church he was born into was that churc. It certainly claimed to be part of it, and for half his life, Newman held to that view. In order to explain how that could be so when it was not in communion with the Bishop of Rome, Newman sought to find support from history; what he found was that history knocked that argument to pieces.
St Peter was the prince of the Apostles. Ancient writers distinguished leadership by looking at how many times a person was mentioned, and Peter scored highly – quite apart from the fact that Jesus asked him to ‘feed my sheep’ and changed his name from Simon to Rock. The Western Church had always beenin communion with Rome, and now the church he was in was not. So, Newman found ways of explaining this. The Anglican 39 Articles could be read in a ‘Catholic’ sense, and one could find unity in the ancient creeds, avoiding the ‘accretions’ the Romans had added. The problem was that the more he delved into history the clearer it became that the so-called ‘accretions’ were simply developments of what had always been there.
Take, for example, veneration of the Virgin Mary. As far back as history would go, men had indeed called her ‘Blessed’ even as Scripture said they would. Men and women loved her for her love of her son and for her care and her sacrifices – parents could identify with her, and mothers above all. Simple people simply loved her, and they did what people do when they love someone – they made pictures of her, they made prayers to her. Unlike every other saint associated with Jesus, she and she alone had no runoured burial place. The people loved her, the Church noted that, as it noted that she was the second Eve, and if she was that, and if Jesus was sinless, she too, must have been sinless, and if sinless, how could she have suffered the penalty of Adam? Out of these simple observations and devotions came Marian veneration and doctrines such as the Immaculate Conception. These things grew in the Church – how was that?
Newman came to see that the real question was the opposite one – if the Church was moved by the Spirit, how could it not grow and come to a greater understanding of the ‘faith once received’? Since the Catholic Church in communion with Rome showed all these signs of life, then, Newman came to see, it was where he needed to be – and he joined it.
His life in his new Church was not easy. Converts are not always welcome, and when they are, they are expected to be as conservatively Catholic as possible. Newman continued to write and think with the inspiration of the Spirit, and that did not pleases many in a Church which felt itself under seige and thought the only way to go was to put up the barricades and find a few last ditches in which to die. But Newman persevered, and was finally rewarded with a Cardinal’s hat. Five years ago he was beatified by one of his greatest admirers – the most theologically brilliant Pope since the Middle Ages, Benedict XVI.
For most of his life Newman was a simple parish priest ministering to the poor. Through him God gave us much we needed – and still need.
Blessed John Henry Newman, pray for us.
famphillipsfrancis said:
Thank you for this. Apart from all his other claims to fame and holiness, Newman was loved by the Birmingham poor. They lined the roads for his funeral; for them he was not a great theologian and writer, but a simple parish priest who loved them. There is one story (among many) of his simplicity: a tramp once came to the Oratory door and left a scarf for Newman in thanks for his help. Newman wore this scarf for the rest of his life.
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chalcedon451 said:
That is an important point to bear in mind, Francis – people do not love priests for nothing 🙂
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Bosco the Great said:
Newman and another priest, Ambrose St. John, lived together for 32 years and share the same grave. Some say they shared a “romantic friendship” or “communitarian life.” It seems likely that both men had a homosexual orientation while abstaining from sex. Newman described St. John as “my earthly light.” The men were inseparable
http://jesusinlove.blogspot.com/2012/10/cardinal-newman-and-ambrose-st-john-gay.html
Some say that there is no way a catholic cardinal could ever be homosexual. The catholic church Is pure and white. Its priests are little christs.
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chalcedon451 said:
Some people will find sex in everything Bosco. If you are one of them, I believe you can get help, so don’t despair.
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Bosco the Great said:
One cant search Newman and not find his gayness. If the CC can make a raging homo a saint, it could ordain a female bishop.
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chalcedon451 said:
You have done precisely no research on Newman. There is always what my old Dad used to call ‘one grubby ‘erbert’ in any group, and you are it here.
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famphillipsfrancis said:
People today have simply lost an understanding of what ‘friendship’ means, so that everything has to be given a sexual twist. From reading Newman’s Letters, it is obvious when e.g. he writes of the love of a wife that he is writing from the standpoint of a heterosexual man who understands the kind of intimacy he has foregone by his commitment of celibacy. Read CS Lewis on “The Four Loves” for a better understanding of friendship, or Ian Ker’s biography of Newman, for a better grasp of his personality.
Also,it is was common for people to share graves in this way in the past. Even as late as the latter part of the 20th century, CS Lewis shared a grave with his devoted brother, Warnie; no-one suggests any thing suspicious in that.
The sarcasm implied in your final remark about cardinals is not worth responding to.
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Bosco the Great said:
I guess you
A…either don’t read the news
B….don’t believe the news
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chalcedon451 said:
In your own case, you fail to understand there is more than one sort of love; I wonder, rather sadly, whether you have experienced even that one sort.
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Bosco the Great said:
Sure, theres all kinds of love. Ill admit the reports can be wrong. Anyone can be wrong.
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chalcedon451 said:
Reports coming from the website of a gay campaigner are not likely to be accurate on this subject.
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Bosco the Great said:
Your synod going on now is a group of homosexuals. You seem to care what they say.
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chalcedon451 said:
Really, goodness me, what insight, what sensitivity, what ignorance – is there no end to the latter quality Bosco?
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Bosco the Great said:
Oh, yeah, that’s rite. They got rid of the one lone homosexual in the Holy Office. Now the Vatican is homo frei.
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chalcedon451 said:
Really, well, I never – did you get that from the National Enquirer?
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chalcedon451 said:
I fear Bosco is not very familiar with love, alas.
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Bosco the Great said:
relationship with St John. Last year, against Newman’s wishes, it ordered that his grave be dug up, in order to separate the two men and to turn Newman’s bones into holy relics. However, the grave was empty. His remains had fully decomposed. The Vatican’s heartless plans were thwarted by nature.
“This homophobic desecration of Newman’s grave and the denial of Newman’s gayness is entirely consistent with the Vatican’s long-standing cover up of its many past and present gay priests, bishops, cardinals and popes. Pope Benedict has a well-known anti-gay agenda. He is too bigoted to concede that Newman loved a man.
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/pope-cover-up-of-gay-cardinal-newman.htm
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chalcedon451 said:
So, you take this from the website of a gay activist and think it proof. Do you go to Trump’s website and believe all you read there? What a credulous clown you are. I have some title deeds here to California, and they can be yours for only all your savings – a bargain, and I will throw in a website with evidence.
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t believe everything I read. I too am a sinner. Im no better.
I hope Trump becomes president.
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Bosco the Great said:
I do know you will wake up in hell expecting a female to save you.
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chalcedon451 said:
Since no one but you thinks that Catholics think Mary saves anyone, that’s unlikely. What may be likely is that since you are blinded by ignorance, you will think hell is heaven as it will be full of people telling you they are the only one saved and you are not, and you will be doing the same. That would, indeed, be hell.
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t like thinking about hell. Im sorry I brought it up.
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Bosco the Great said:
How many time have you repeated the prayer to have Diana pray for you at the hour of your death?
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chalcedon451 said:
Never. I have repeated the prayer for the Mother of Jesus to pray for me. She prays to her Son who saves. Who will pray to Christ for you?
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t worry about that.
You pray that you don’t go to hell.
People need to know Jesus personally.
Nothing else matters.
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chalcedon451 said:
Just give me the Scripture Bosco, not Boscoism – verse which says ‘People need to know Jesus personally’.
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Bosco the Great said:
Douay-Rheims Bible
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
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chalcedon451 said:
Sorry, that does not say ‘Isaid unto them you did not know me personally’ – nowhere does Jesus say what you said. You add words he never spoke – and you know what happens to those who do that.
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Steve Brown said:
C, thanks, a great little post & history of Newman. Most of the better posts here are a history & facts of some sort. Which leads to comments of more history & facts combined with little opinion. Which leads to opinion only. That way we all have some substance to return to and comment on.
The worst posts here start out as pure opinion….they have what I would call shorter and certainly less sturdy legs!
Now you nay sayers out there remember…the above is fact.
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chalcedon451 said:
Thank you, Steve 😊
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Bosco the Great said:
mAYBE ILL DO A POST ABOUT THE CATHARS AND OTHERS THAT THe roman catholic faith genocided. My brothers that seek salvation need to think about where they trust their salvation. In a murderous idolatrous religion or asking Jesus to show himself.
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chalcedon451 said:
Well, there are certainly many sensationalist accounts to satisfy a taste like yours.
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Bosco the Great said:
Waldensians. The church that Christ founded wiped out bible believers. when you wake up in hell, you will know that I warned you.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, they wiped out heretics. As, indeed, did the heretics in their turn.
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Bosco the Great said:
I understand that in early America, I mean first settlements, the religious would take someone they considerd a evildoer, and strap him or her to a wheel and turn them over a fire. These people were catholics who just changed their religions name to protestant.
Watch your TV, drive your car, go to a movie, and forget about the unbelievable pain people were subject to in the name of religions. Its always on my mind.
Why don’t we the people rise up and disband religions.?
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chalcedon451 said:
Poor Bosco. No, they were Protestants. You are no doubt aware that in your own country people are still executed with appalling barbarity. Perhaps President Putin will invade you and overthrow Obama and install a regime which stops likking people with lethal drugs? You may get lucky.
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Bosco the Great said:
The State proscribes penalties for crimes. If it didn’t, I would go rob a bank today.
Last week, a dirt bag was convicted for raping his 17 day old baby girl and then beating her to death. What would you like to see happen to him?
Your beloved religion used to burn people how disagreed with your beloved religion. Since there is no such thing as time, those crimes are still here with us. One cant say….Oh well, those happened in the past and now my beloved religion is pure and white and one must belong to it to have salvation.
No. Those burnings are with us today.Their screams of pain are still in the air. As you eat the cracker the victim is being burned to death. As the costumes and their fish hats walk in solemn processions, the bible believers are yelling out in pain from the flames.
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chalcedon451 said:
Again, your ignorance is startling. The Church burned no-one, and it tried no-ne. The State proscribed the penalities then for the same reason it does now. It was the State, Bosco, not the Church. If you knew how ignorant you come across, you’d hide your head in shame.
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Bosco the Great said:
So, the state made it illegal for someone not to go along with the Church of Rome?
How nice. The Church of Rome burned no one. If I believed that, I would join the Church of Mary. I too like the pageantry and the colors and the statuary. Its appealing to the eye. But Christ bent down and pulled me from the mud and dung. Now I just walk behind him, like the errant sheep I am.
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chalcedon451 said:
The State did what States do, it decided what was and what was not legal and what the penalties were – just like in the good ol’ USA, which is the only democracy in the world which kills its own people. Your problem with that?
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Bosco the Great said:
By the way, there is a term that means taking pagan symbols and making them Christian symbols. Ive askes cathols in here several times to remind me of that term. But they wont. Cathols don’t want to implicate their Babylonian religion any more than it is already implicated. When I find the term, im gonna slam all you idolatercathols with it. I understand why you don’t want to admit it.
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chalcedon451 said:
Far from not admitting it, I have often said that the Church eased life for converts by showing them how what they believed in was a part of a greater truth. What an odd man you are. Do you believe that pagans cannot find their way to a part of the truth and then be helped to it all? You were, why not others?
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Bosco the Great said:
Rat poison is 95% good food and 5% poison. The pagans died and woke up in hell.
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chalcedon451 said:
And there was me thinking olnly God decided that; didn’t realise he’d delegated it to you.
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Bosco the Great said:
Most people are going to hell. Jesus said so himself.
Oh, yeah, that’s rite, The CC rejects Jesus and his words, as does all the unsaved. But the CC claims to be the standard bearer of the bible and Jesus. That’s how it kills.
95% good food
5 % poison
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chalcedon451 said:
No, he did not say most people are going to hell. Far from rejecting Jesus’ words, you only have them because the Church preserved them. You steal a book whose origins you deny and then wonder why you can’t understand a dang word; go figure.
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Bosco the Great said:
Broad is the path to destruction and many be thereon.
Its not my words…its Jesus talking.
Men send themselves to hell. It pains Jesus that people will go there.
It pains me also.
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chalcedon451 said:
You said ‘most’, Jesus said ‘many’. As usual, you twisat the words of Jesus by not quoting him accurately.
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Bosco the Great said:
Say, good brother Chalcedon, why don’t you give me the term that means….taking pagan symbols and using them for Christian. I cant find it. im going to write it on my wall when I find it. The Roman Catholic religion issteeped in Babylonian pagan symbols and pagents. As a matter of fact, they are one in the sdame. Just different names for everything. The prot world kinda follows along with all the holidays. But the CC has the prots beat with their images and dagon fish hats.
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chalcedon451 said:
Some call it syncretism, but that’s not quite right.
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Bosco the Great said:
Syncretism (/ˈsɪŋkrətɪzəm/) is the combining of different, often contradictory beliefs, while blending practices of various schools of thought. Syncretism involves the merger and analogizing of several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion
Thank you good brother Chalcedon.
The CC uses this term to excuse their use of Babylonian symbols and rituals. The mass, as you call it, is a roman ritual. It was used in worship of their gods. The costumes, the table, the wafer. All was done befor the religion of Constantine renamed it Christian.
Mystery Babylon
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chalcedon451 said:
No, the Mass is not a Roman pagan ritual. I’d be interested in a source for this. My source is the Didache, which is a later 1st century document which describes the Mass much as we have it today. Do tell me how the Romans worshipped Christ risen, used the words he used at the last supper, and read from the ‘memiors of the Apostles’. If you can’t, then for once have the guts to man up and admit you are talking rubbish. Thanking you in advance for weaseling out, as you always do.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Though it’s Blessed Cardinal Newman’s Feast Day, it’s also my 84th Birthday. I think I’m the only and oldest Cradle Catholic on the Blog.
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chalcedon451 said:
I think that is indeed the case, David – happy birthday and many more of them 🙂
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
Thanks C give please my love to Jess.
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chalcedon451 said:
I did, and she sends hers back 🙂
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Bosco the Great said:
Happy birthday goods brother David, and many more.
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Dave Smith said:
Happy Birthday David. I had my 69th on the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi . . . another fine fellow to celebrate with. Hope you have many more, my friend.
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chalcedon451 said:
Well, my modest friend – a happy birthday to you for last week too 🙂
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Dave Smith said:
Thank you my friend. Not modest, I actually thought of putting up my address so people could send me money and gifts but thought better of it. 🙂
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chalcedon451 said:
🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
As the oldest nonconformist here, happy birthday David and many happy returns as we say in these parts 🙂
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Steve Brown said:
Happy, happy birthday! My 64th will be on October 13, my feast day!
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Dave Smith said:
If anyone would like to send Steve a gift or a check you can send it to me and I will personally surprise him with it on Tuesday evening.
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Dave Smith said:
P.S. Please make all checks payable to cash. Thank you.
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Bosco the Great said:
As ive always maintained, there is hope for you yet. You were honest enough to give me the term for using pagan symbols in other religions. Now, its time to acknowledge what these are. The wafer or bread held up by the priest of Dagon was used in Egypt, I believe. It wasn’t called Dagon, but it was held up as it were their deity. Then, if im not mistaken, that ritual of holding up the wafer was used in Roman pagan rituals. One can look at Egyptian art and see the round circle with the crescent under it. The same as the roman catholic symbol. The round thing is the wafer. Its also seen on the head of the cow symbol. Ive already gone over the pine cone staff and the eye in the triangle that litters the roman catholic temples. The upside down cross of Jorhpauls seat. The bent crooked cross, that good brother Chalcedon said was from dropping it a lot.
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chalcedon451 said:
Let us see, all you have to do is show me where the Romans and Egyptians said the words Christ said at the Last Supper, and you will have a point. Until then, you haven’t. Over to you for evidence of the words used by Christ – which, of course, his church has used from the beginning.
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Bosco the Great said:
The ceremonies are the same. Do the incantations matter? The priest of Dagon turns his back to you idolaters, then he does some shill act, then he says ..Hocu et Pocus….and now the cracker is actally god, and you idolaters are in awe. Oh, lookee here, there is god. Oh wow. The priest of Dagon turned the cracker into god. Wow, hes got special powers to do that. Hope he doesn’t get run out of town for molesting my little Egbert.
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Bosco the Great said:
Id like to mention one simple fact….Jesus has caught me in the act of idolatry recently. He chastises the ones he loves.
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chalcedon451 said:
Poor Bosco, it is hard to take this seriously – it so obviously comes from the Chick stable. You do know, don’t you, that the priest now faces the congregation, does not wear a hat to Mass and does not speak Latin. It was, of course, a mark of supreme ignorance not to understand that the priest was repeating the Latin version of the words Jesus said. Still, Boscoists mock Jesus’ mother and call God a rapist, so who is surprised they repeat ancient lies?
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Bosco the Great said:
There is no such thing as time. When did the priest of dagon start facing the crowd? And when did he stop using latin? If it was recently, im not aware of it. But, its not my problem. But it is the prob of those who subscribe to that pagan ritual. They die every day. It really hurts me to think people will be in the lake of fire forever. That’s one thing I don’t agree with Christ. Why make people just to torture them forever? Nice people who lived good lives and charitable….now are in hell. The catholic charities staffed by caring nice people, are sitting in hell. Jesus is plain. He never knew them. Why not just come down and introduce himself to every one?
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chalcedon451 said:
No such thing as time? Try not turning up when your clients want and see how that works for you.
Your ignorance is, it seems, total – all of the things I mention happened in the 1960s, so it is your problem if you peddle lies, and such obvious ones. if you get such things wrong, how can anyone trust anything you say?
Since Christ did not make people to burn in the lakes of fire forever, you need to find out what he really did and abandon Boscoism and embrace Christianity. You know as much about who is in hell as you do about most stuff to do with religion – nothing.
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Bosco the Great said:
There is no time in the spirit world. And in nuclear physics, we are finding that time is an illusion. Even though we use time in the Lorentz Transfoms, its becoming fashionable to discard time. The double slit experiment can be explained if we assume time was not there. Photons and electrons interact as though they were emitted at the same time. Its spooky.
There is a yesterday but no tomorrow. But was there a yesterday? We only have here and now.
If the church of Mary changed its rituals in 1960, it was just yesterday, in the scheme of things. Am I a bad person because the Roman religion changes? Its not supposed to change, according to its great swelling claim.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, you are an ignorant person because you quote from Chick tracts which are fifty years out of date. You will eventually work out the reason we don’t ban you is you bring discredit to Boscoism and everyone can see what a fool you are. Carry on Bosco – you are, indeed, the circus clown here.
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