Obedience is a word we are often fonder of pronouncing than practising. We value our autonomy, and if we have come to a view, we are often reuctant to give it up. The days when those ‘in authority’ could force us to do so have left a mark, and our self-will often feeds on that; it is, we say. our ‘right’ to think such and such in religion, and no man can command us otherwise. Yet it is there is the prayer of prayers – ‘thy will be done’ we pray. St. Cyril of Alexandria, in his commentary on Luke writes:
‘Why then did he command the saints to say … “Your will be done …?” This petition is worthy of the saints and full of praise … We request that power may be given to those on earth to do the will of God and imitate the conduct practiced in heaven by the holy angels … The will of God over all is that those on earth should live in holiness, piously, without blame, being washed from all impurity, and diligent in imitating the spiritual beauty of the spirits above in heaven.
As fallen beings, we go astray; in the words of the old general confession in the BCP: ‘there is no health in us’. That is precisely why we pray to do God’s will, and for the Grace to do it. St. Paul spoke for us all when he wrote: ‘For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.’ Left to ourselves, we find ourselves where Paul was. Why then do we value our own will so much? Satan speaks to us as he did the Eve: we have eaten of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and we are like God. At the very moment we think that, we fall into the same trap as our first parents.
If the Spirit is in us, then obedience is no dry, unwilling service wrung from slaves, it is our ‘faith working through love’. This type of obedience is a living reality that can’t be reduced to a list of things we should and should not do, or to a typology of sins. We need, as the roots of the English word imply, to listen well. In the words of Our Lord as recorded by St. Mark, we need to ‘Repent, and believe in the gospel’. If we could see the perils ahead, we should probably not have the courage to begin, but in loving obedience to the Spirit, we go onward.
For Catholics, this is an especially troubling time in matters of obedience. For decades now, under John Paul II and Benedict XVI, those of even a moderatel traditionalist point of view have been able to cite obedience to the Pope to ‘cafeteria catholics’, confident (most of the time) that they were taking the line the Pope would take. But with this Pope, they are challenged. Those who were once on the receiving end of mini-sermons on obedience, now (perhaps even to their surprise) find themselves quoting the Pope at those who until recently used to do so at them. To say, as we might, that the Pope is not a Catholic is a poor form of obedience, and we may justify it to ourselves by thinking we are truer to the Catholic tradition than the Pope. But that, too, is a poor form of obedience.
It is best to trust in the Church, which is, after all, in the hands of the Spirit. Let us pray for all those at the Synod – and that ‘His’ will is done.
Indeed there is a crisis afoot and it is a matter of conscience, for those who wish to be obedient, as to whom (Jesus Christ and His vicar) or what (defined teachings of the Church or non-defined teachings of the Pope or a synod) their obedience is owed. Can it be any more surprising and confusing than the information which Edward Pentin has penned in the National Catholic Register?
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal-danneels-part-of-mafia-club-opposed-to-benedict-xvi
People of ‘good will’ everywhere are befogged by this present situation.
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Yes, Ann equates the people of ‘good will’ everywhere are ‘This effeminate, pollyanna worldview.’ Read the whole thing. http://www.barnhardt.biz/2015/09/24/breaking-blockbuster-prima-facie-evidence-that-francis-is-in-fact-antipope/
And pull your heads out of the sand.
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As someone who is not a Roman Catholic, I have watched the struggle over this current papacy from the sidelines. Up until this point it seemed unequivocal that the succession of Popes had condemned Modernity and Liberalism with little dissent whatsoever.
But now, this Pope at least appears to contradict his predecessors. What is a Catholic to do in such a peculiar situation where Tradition, God, and the line of preceding Popes stand in agreement, but the current Pope does not? They seem stuck in a confusing limbo of obedience. Allegiance is never easy, but scarcely has it been more difficult than it is today.
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From my experience of Anglican parishes there are always some people who will grumble and say, ‘That isn’t how the last Vicar did it!’ Such memories and resentments last as long as the oldest living parishioner who can remember the priest thirty years ago who did everything properly, and looks to find fault in anything new.
Every Vicar is different, and every Vicar brings new gifts to the church to compliment those which have gone before. I would imagine that Popes are the same; they do not negate one another or even one another’s teaching by being different, but rather they add to the rich tapestry of faith.
If one Pope says, ‘Love’, another ‘Pray’, another ‘Believe’ and yet another says ‘Obey’ that is not a contradiction.
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Cathy…I like that name. the few Cathys I knew were cute. I have to go out of town so ill get back with you then, but Popes have contradicted themselves, big time. The expert Marys in here know that, but they wont tell you. Its not good for business. Ill give some examples when I get back. Rite now im tired and want to relax, not engage in scholarship. Take care good sister Cathy.
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Mr Great Bosco, here is a suggestion for you, if you want to remain friends.
Let’s not engage in defamation of our brothers and sisters in Christ, whatever church they belong to. Their sins are not your concern or mine. Let’s instead follow this advice:
http://biblehub.com/philippians/2-3.htm
The choice is yours. Think very carefully.
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Alas, you begin to understand the nature of the problem.
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I have known all along, dear C; I despair of nobody until I have to. I am far too imperfect myself, and far too much in need of other people’s patience and understanding.
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Indeed – and I think I have been patient with the Great one – but I do have to consider the patience of our readers 😄
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Is that what Philippians says? Or St Silouan?
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Did you read my blog?
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You have a site? What is the address?
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I have a site, but it is only for people who can be unfailingly polite. Can you do that?
I am not well, and I am not able to tolerate trolling of my site. When it happened before I closed the site completely. So if you can be polite, then fine.
Can you behave yourself or not?
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Behave is my middle name
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I thought it was ‘the’.
Meanwhile, the tree is known by its fruit, not its label.
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You know, I’ve heard this idea tossed around quite a bit, that Pope Francis somehow contradicts his predecessors. What I’ve not found is any evidence that this is the case (unless one takes personal interpretation of pull-quotes to be evidence).
I realize that your investment, as “not a Roman Catholic”, is limited but I wonder, is your impression (and that of the struggling Catholics you know) based on anything more than popular media narratives?
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Obedience I get.
Deciding which bits to obey and which to ignore, and calling that obedience, I don’t get. Standing in judgement on any particular Pope and finding him not quite good enough I really, really don’t get.
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Amen.
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St Paul may well be authorised to reprimand St Peter. Given that I am not the one nor the other, it would be highly presumptuous were I to attempt to do so.
Meanwhile I am Anglican, not Roman. Any damnable errors I may happen to fall into are all my own, and nobody else’s.
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… although quite frankly as a respectable Christian mother and widow, and a near recluse, damnable errors are unlikely ever to come my way.
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St Paul and St Peter were equals and brothers. Neither was inferior to the other, but in Christ both submitted to the other.
My absolutism stands. 🙂
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The church of Mary is very clear,…..anyone who joins the masons is excommunicated immediately without any further adoo.
Angelo Roncalli, a known mason, was elected pope in 1958. He took the name of a wicked pope, John 23rd , who had been kicked out of office in 1415.
Paul 6th, the next pope, elected 75 cardinals, all of whom were freemasons.
Johnpaul 1 only held office for one month befor he was killed by the mason cabal.
Johnpaul 11 taught masons were the sons of god in direct contradiction to Pious 9 who declared mason to be sons of the devil. Johnpaul11 said jews worship the true god in direct contradiction to Gregory the 16 that taught jews worship the devil.
Contradiction is the norm in the Church of Mary, not aberrations.
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Dear Bosco
Cut down on the coffee. Seriously, far too much caffeine.
Inter alia.
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Good sister Cathy, you are Anglican….good choice. Me and my blushing bride are going to get married in the Church of England.
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It was not my choice, but the Lord’s; I was born Anglican. Congratulations to yourself and commiserations to the prospective Mrs Great. 🙂
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Thank you good sister
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Gregory 16 taught that only catholics can worship god.
Johnpaul11 said anybody can worship god.
Now theres a big contradiction.
The C of M has been backpeddling of what it used to teach as dogma. It has put on the sheeps clothing of tolerance.
Pious 6 taught that only catholics are Christians and everyone else are heretics.
Johnpaul 11 relaxed this hard line by allowing other Christian faiths into the fold of Christianity, in direct contradiction to Pius 6.
This list goes on for ever.
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Something certainly does go on forever.
Polite reminder:
http://biblehub.com/philippians/2-3.htm
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