Penitent: Forgive me Father for I have sinned. It has been 24 hours since my last Confession. I have sinned in the following ways: I drank a bottle of water from a plastic bottle (actually 3 times), swatted (and killed) 8 houseflies, killed a mosquito and a cockroach, rode to the Church in a satanic, fossil burning vehicle twice. I also turned my air conditioner on polluting the environment. I have shown callous disregard for the poor as I could not finish my lunch this afternoon and threw out the excess uneaten food though I could have put it in a doggie bag and taken it to a poor family. The sin is compounded since I ate a commercially produced fish sandwich which depleted the oceans of the fish that the poor fishermen in poor countries cannot now catch to alleviate their hunger. I also, weeded my garden and disrupted the biodiversity of the land and by so doing pricked my finger on a thorn (most likely nature striking me back for my thoughtless actions). Again, without thinking, I put antibiotics on the cut thus killing the micro-organisms and bacteria that were present angering mother earth. I wore a pair of Adidas shoes today which were constructed using the cheap labor and the resources from a poor country which depleted their economy and may have caused countless deaths among the poor populations residing there. I flushed the commode twice today so far and took a 15 minute shower wasting valuable water that could have been sent to areas that do not have as much water as we do. I must also tell you father that I am a little confused as to whether ecological sins are mortal or venial sins. For instance, we all know that wearing anything of fur or leather required the sacrifice of one of mother earth’s animals and likewise should I be wearing natural cotton or polyesters since cotton is produced largely by poor countries by low paid workers and polyesters are made by utilizing petroleum and we all know the pollution that this is putting into our environment. I’m uncertain whether these are venial or mortal Father. If mortal, should I go naked?
Father: Well I think that only you know whether your sins are mortal or venial. As you know you had to know what you were doing and that the sin was serious and went ahead and committed this sin anyway. As to your questions concerning what you should wear, I would advise that you do as we in the clergy now do and wear nothing at all. Is that all of your sins my son?
Penitent: That is all that I can think of today Father.
Father: Please say an act of contrition.
Penitent: O mother earth, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee as well as brother sun and sister moon and I detest all my sins because of Thy just punishments of wiping out all of mankind by heat and by rising sea levels because we were negligent and exploitive of you, mother earth, but most of all because they offend thee, Who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, and the bounty of your holy nature to sin no more, to lower my carbon footprint and to avoid the near occasions of sin and to live in a cave naked without eating, drinking, cooling or heating my habitat.
Father: I absolve you in the name of brother sun, sister moon and mother earth.
Penitent: Thank you father.
Father: For your penance say 1 decade of the rosary using the new Mother Earth Mysteries. Go and sin no more.
Penitent: May mother earth’s mercy endure forever.
I guess we can’t eat hamburgers anymore either.
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I’ll meet you there anyway so that we can sift through the garbage of the sinful consumerists who throw away a third of their food. 🙂
Since nobody has asked the new Rosary is out:
The Mother Earth Mysteries of the Holy Rosary
+++ as given to us by Pope Francis, a son of Mother Earth and a brother to sister moon and brother sun.
1. The Earth produces all the fruit, nut and seed bearing plants for our food but we ate the apple which was the only one we couldn’t eat thus condemning us to live by the sweat of our labor . . . making our own food out of hydrogenated oil and trans-fats
2. Due to flagrant disregard of Mother Earth’s bounty the Earth creates a great flood only saving the eco-friendly Noah and his family
3. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah engage in consumerism and so Mother Earth asks brother sun to rain down fire from heaven destroying everyone but Lot and his family who did not engage in consumerism
4. Mother Earth swallows up the Pharaoh and his legions in the Red Sea because they trampled upon some crustaceans with their chariots and therefore took revenge upon these heathens
5. Mother Earth gets mad at the Israelites for complaining so much and sends her snakes to bite them until they stop annoying her
Maybe we can practice this tonight once we get a bag full of discarded food from the restaurant.
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Well, you go right ahead with your dumpster diving. I, on the other hand, will hope that a good confession will be enough to stir the mercy of God. See you there.
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Filthy consumerist. Unless you chuck all ideas of capitalism, socialism, Marxism and communism and return to the barter system there will be no help for you at all.
I’m gonna trade Fred for a hamburger.
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We are all guilty.
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Indeed – but as Orwell might have thought to put it ‘some animals are more guilty than others’.
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I must admit that I do consume things which others get paid to make. Mea culpa. 🙂
I wonder how many things you can consume before you become a consumerist? Can I have 1 change of clothes or 3 or 50? I guess the details have still yet to be worked out.
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I’m a clothes horse. Oh dear. I’m in trouble.
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Flagrant consumerism I fear. Best take it to the confessional and give all your clothes away to the Goodwill store.
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When I went to the convent, the Sisters tried to get me to give it all up at once. It was awful. I was the laughing stock of the convent for quite sometime. Sister Linda in particular enjoyed making fun of my clothes the most. The acceptable level of attire for lay missionaries was the following: one set of clothes for wearing, and one set for washing, one set of sandals and if it got cold, pick a sweater from the used clothes that came to us for the poor and return it as soon as the weather got warmer. PJ’s too. If I needed a coat, it too would be on loan from the clothes bin for the duration. Um…..I never got to this level and did leave because of my growing disability. One of my prize possessions is a sweater that Mother Teresa herself wore when she visited that got passed around. I got to keep it when I left the convent. I think Sister Suzanne thought it would cure my disability. I wear it when I need a little Mothering. God bless. Ginnyfree.
P.S. Eternal rest grant unto her (Sister Nirmala Joshi) o Lord and let Your perpetual light shine upon her. May she rest in peace.) She passed away yesterday in India. I’m sure you’ve heard.
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Amen to that. The sisters do marvelous work.
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Well…not exactly. I still have a closet full of clothes. Oh well. I’m a work in progress and God isn’t finished with me yet. What all that did do for me was to help me see the sinful attitudes behind the need for all those clothes. Working on female envy and covetousness and pettiness took away the need to have the clothes. The clothes were only a symptom of the deeper illness. Now I really don’t shop the same way as I used to and I’m no longer dressing to impress or worse, stir up envy in my gal pals. THAT’S what the ubber thorough examination of conscience procedures I got exposed to there and continue to use to this day have done. I can sincerely say, some of my sins have been eliminated by getting at the roots of those ugly weeds and giving a tug. But I’ve still got a few more ugly roots to expose. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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I stood on the promise my house will be saved. My idiot daughter now relies on the lord. I knew he would do it. I didn’t say anything to her except that the CC was a fake, I told her that when she was young.
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I’m very happy for your daughter Bosco though you lied to her out of your own ignorance. It is not the CC that is a fraud; you should have warned her that there are frauds in every church, hirelings that pose as shepherds and wolves that pose as sheep. Then you would have given her some good advice that she could take with her the rest of her life and good advice to keep her radar on at all times. Its even good advice when you evaluate friends, employers, politicians and other people who shape your opinions.
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Ive tried the nice routine by popular demand. I got put out to have my ID stolen by the big fat CC teacher goodbrother Servus. I used to think he was cool. Ive been slammed in the most vile of ways. Expect no quarter from me. You idolaters will have to ban me.
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No problem for me, I’m sure you can find a way to get yourself banned. You’re a pro at it aren’t you?
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Bosco – this has been dealt with, so let’s not lose comradeship over it? C451
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bozoboy, you call your own daughter an idiot, and you call this “the nice routine?” All you have are vile thoughts. Come on big boy, give it all you’ve got. All you are is a whinny bully who hides behind false ID’s and lies, then runs to mommy when you are beaten to a pulp and your lies are proven to be such. Come on, I’m ready.
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SF, you are bad, bad, bad. You’ve been hanging around Bosco too long. God bless. Ginnyfre.
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Read it again. What do you not understand about satire and mockery my friend?
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Sorry, I thought your comment was to me . . . my fault for not noting that. 🙂
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I want to say that I am sorry good Catholics have to put up with this fella – he’s Neville Chamberlain in a cassock – on the road to Munich. May God give you the strength to bear this trial.
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Thank you my friend. It makes it increasingly difficult to fight the archenemies of Christianity such as Obama and the UN. Finding our way out seems difficult at best without leadership that isn’t precise, unambiguous and clear in his orthodox Catholic teaching. Pray that God send us a leader that meets this criteria and has his ears turned to heaven instead of toward the elites and the liberation theologists.
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My prayers are for that. At least we Baptists can deal with that sort of thing more easily, as we don’t have a leader other than Jesus (and all the fatheads who think they are him, of course).
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His embrace of the murderous Castro regime should have been warning enough that he was an Obama supporter and follower of the same Marxist ideology. Fatheads, indeed. Elitists who want to transform the world into their own image.
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They create a God in their own image and worship themselves thinking they are worshipping God – fools – and they lead many souls to hell.
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That is the most frightening aspect of all this. His first 2 encyclicals are more of worldly concerns and smack of politics and addressed to the world rather than to Catholics: the economy and global warming. As if there were not bigger dangers to the souls of the faithful that are in desperate need of address: abortion, contraception, loss of faith, poor teaching and churchmen who you can count on to run from a fight.
Hundreds of thousands gathered in Rome to voice their support for marriage and the family before the synod commences again and there wasn’t nary a bishop to be found in their midst. That seems about right in this modern age.
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I saw that – and no media here really supported it. I long ago gave up on Frank – he’s a dinosaur, and I hope him, and those like him, will soon be extinct!
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Perhaps it will happen but it looks bleak. His encyclicals might have been named:
Addio Chiesa Cattolica
and
Ciao Ordine Uno Mondo
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Oh hello QVO. Thanks for sharing your stunning but expected opinion of the encyclical. Anything else you’d like to add? Our discussions around here are lacking when you fail to chime in. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Oh QVO, you’re sounding better by every beer you imbibe! Keep it up! Just dont’ pass out with the computer on. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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It is only natural to want to make a silk purse of a sows ear or to see royal finery adorning a naked emperor.
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Come to think of it, is it still considered licit to place new wine in new wineskins or in light of the encyclical, shall we place new wine in old wineskins so as to recycle and save the lives of the sheep and goats sacrificed to make carrying wine an easier thing for the nomads and pilgrims of our days. Will our carbon footprint be lessened by this practice or should we maintain the time honored tradition of placing new wine in new wineskins? Just some food for thought. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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This is a disgusting mockery. Did any of you actually read the letter, or did you go into it with the log of your Francis hatred in your eye looking for something to shred?
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Welcome, friend of good cheer. Yes, I think most here have read the encyclical and copious amount of commentary on both sides of the argument. Did you? Or did you only see that which you desire to see? Your own commentary is yours as is those of us who disagree. There are those who defend Obama and Sun Ki-Moon and the chief expert who helped our Pope write this encyclical, Hans Schellnhuber. Do you deny that any ‘deniers’ were allowed to participate or show their evidence and share their ideas before the writing? And if not, why not? Did not the Pope say that he encourages the dialogue?
188. There are certain environmental issues where it is not easy to achieve a broad consensus. Here I would state once more that the Church does not presume to settle scientific questions or to replace politics. But I am concerned to encourage an honest and open debate so that particular interests or ideologies will not prejudice the common good.
But we welcome all commenters here but please do so as a gentleman and argue the issues rather than the people. Nice to have you onboard. 🙂
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I did read it and I wrote about the fact on my blog that I did not see what I wanted to see. What disturbs me most is the people who vilify the Pope. Why? Where has he departed from Church teaching? We are dust of the earth and we really on the earth for everything we need. How then are we not sinning against neighbor both living and yet to be born when we destroy and turn into a cesspool what they rely on for their physical needs? Environmentalism isn’t some hippy drippy dream though some use it to support theirs. Pope Francis made it clear in the encyclical that our environmental issues are a symptom of a deeper problem: our lack of respect for each other, a self-centeredness. It springs from the same well as things like abortion, slavery, murder, adultery, fornication, etc.
Anyway this post seemed to open the floodgates for Pope Francis haters to spew their hate even if that wasn’t the point of the original post, and that is what bothers me most. These commenters aren’t the Pope and yet their tone sounds as if they believe they are pretty darn infallible in their condemnation of this great heretic pope. I see a great lack of charity from Catholics here.
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A useful opinion and yet you will see the people that you call ‘Pope haters’ are not haters at all but ‘Church lovers’ and ‘Christ lovers.’ It is the opinion of some that he ranks with some of the worst Popes the Church has ever had . . . and the worst Popes have done great harm to the Church.
If for instance “the symptoms of a deeper problem” are at the core of his encyclical, then why has he not addressed these particularly? In fact, he has said little about sins of the flesh unless pushed to the brink to deny the infallibility of constant Church teaching. Why, also, did he condemn and demote the most faithful of his flock and promote some of the most heretic of theologians? There is a time to defend a Pope when he is defending the Church and there is a time to withstand the Pope, when he isn’t. You make it sound as if every Pope deserves to be swooned over even if he offends our Catholic sensibilities.
Where is the ourtrage from this Pope on those Christians perishing in the Middleast, tortured, caged, imprisoned, beheaded etc.? Why did he push with Obama to lift sanctions for Cuba? This Pope is an enigma and I have been trying to justify his actions and words since he was elected. At some point you just have to say that he makes little sense and is a terrible Pope; maybe not a Borgia but a bad one for the faithful to be venerating with such enthusiasm.
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I have heard him speak several times on the plight of Christians in the Middle East so I’m not sure what you are talking about. Why didn’t he talk more about the sins of the flesh in this encyclical? I can’t answer that, but probably because this was about the environment specifically. If every encyclical was an in depth treatise about every problem plaguing the Church, every encyclical would be several thousand pages long. Why aren’t we up in arms when an encyclical on the Rosary doesn’t offer an in depth study of transubstantiation? I did not hopers far as lifting sanctions about Cuba I hope you aren’t serious. There are plenty of countries as bad or worse than Cuba and yet we trade freely with them. What message do we really send when with how we have operated with Cuba? An inconsistent one. And who is really affected? The people of Cuba, not those in power. We can stick it to those in power but at what cost? And I did not mean to imply that Popes should be swooned over but they should be shown some respect. They are the vicar of Christ and we are not. Is he a heretic? Maybe, maybe not. But since when did we become arm chair experts in heresy? Pope Francis certainly isn’t your traditional Pope and he may not be too eloquent at times, but that does not make him bad or a heretic. And just because he doesn’t at all times speak only on the issues we think are the only important pressing issues for the Church doesn’t make him one of the worst popes in history. He is trying to meet people where they are at in a very broken world, like Jesus. Some of these lost sheep are skiddish and weary. It’s going to take time and gentleness to lead them from where they are to where they need to be. That shouldn’t discourage us and it shouldn’t be a cause of concern when Francis doesn’t rain hellfire at our every command. He doesn’t want a single sheep to be lost so he is being gentle until the sheep regain their strength.
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Well he might have weighed in on the vote in Scotland if he wanted to save every sheep.
Also, have you not yet been at the brunt of one his insults?http://thatthebonesyouhavecrushedmaythrill.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-pope-francis-little-book-of-insults.html
I am most discouraged by 1) the subject for it is still unsettled science: and we know what happens when you build your ideas upon something that is not a truth 2) the experts used and those he would not let participate and 3) the timing which is just in time to aid the Climate Conference in Paris for a global agreement . . . which is political speak for more bureaucracy, regulations and power given to the UN and to national leaders.
If you want to read a piece that states much of what I think then please read this one:
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/1819-why-i-m-disregarding-laudato-si-and-you-should-too
As to Cuba, we fundamentally disagree and that is fine. Yes the sanctions hurt the people because the Communists will not cease to do what they do best: live as elitists and rule their citizens with a strong hand: including torture and murder if they resist. All you do is give money to the elite and enrich them with our own money. Maybe they can muster enough money to get nuclear tipped missles aimed at as once again. I grew up during the Cuban missile crisis. My dad skippered a ship to blockade the Russions from delivering more nukes. I doubt those younger than I am remember those days or find them significant in the way they draw their political conclusions.
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I refuse to read an article that begins with the extreme uncharity as that article does by immediately calling into question my sanity for not disregarding the encyclical in its entirety. I won’t wast my time on that stuff.
I’m not an environmentalist in the conventional neo-liberal sense. But I don’t understand why calling out our extreme materialistic culture of waste and trash is so bad? Why is calling out Christians on how our first world use of the environment harms the poor in third world countries bad? I must have also missed the part where he infallibly proclaimed climate change to be a settled science. I believe that he stated it was an opinion of a solid block of scientists (a paraphrase on my part).
I’m a small government guy. I don’t believe in overregulation. But there are some things that DO need to be regulated when it results to the welfare of the whole human race, especially those things which we have inalienable rights to, such as the right to clean water. So I think, for example, regulation on polluting water is a just use of governmental power. As to climate change regulation, I don’t know to what extent regulation should occur. But even if climate change isn’t real, don’t you believe that clean air is something we have a right to breathe? I mean would it be wrong for a place like Los Angeles, a place that has to deal with excessive air pollution to the point of having to issue warnings that people with respiratory problem have to stay indoors, to regulate emissions on that basis alone?
Either way I think that to simply disregard the encyclical is prideful and brash. There is much wisdom in it, regardless of the unsettled science. Likewise, I think to take the encyclical as a totally infallible statement is both foolish and not in line with the intent of the encyclical.
In any case, the treatment of this encyclical and the comments about this evil, terrible, heretic Pope have, in my fallible opinion, been excessively unwarranted, un-Christian, and prideful, and I am done discussing the issue here, lest I be labelled as heretic for in my insanity not callously disregarding the banal entirety of this encyclical penned by Satan from the pits of hell.
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Unlike the Pope we do allow all opinions here even those we disagree with. I see that you are of the same mind to stop reading and argument because you disagree with the first paragraph or two. I am unsure how people can draw conclusions unless they listen to all the arguments: it seems to me that to do so is to trust without verification all that you hold as a preconceived certainty. Some of us continue to evaluate and come to conclustions until such time as we can no longer do so. We call that open and honest discussion between people of differing views. It is stimulating and makes one think.
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Its not that I disagree with the argument. But why would I read an article that starts by insulting my sanity and whether I even have core values? Aren’t there more charitable ways to express one’s opinions than such hate, childishness and condescension? This is precisely why I commented in the first place. People are being extremely immature. That’s not discussion or debate.
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Not everyone expresses their ideas to the satisfaction and acceptance of everyone they speak to. I would suggest that in the area of ecumenism you would put up with much more from agnostics, atheists, protestants, muslims or varous other religions than you will from those within your own Holy Catholic Church. I always find that strange. We have great anger and rage against those who are Catholics and love the Church and try to live by ALL that the Church teaches and yet have no problem with the words from the world or from those 80% who sit next to us in Mass who use contraception, accept gay marriage, want women priest, support reception of the Eucharist for those still in grave sin such as adultery or with those of other faiths.
I am perhaps foolsh enough to think that the traditional beliefs of our faith are still useful and the ideas of those who live according to them are worth listening to.
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I’m sorry, but excuse me? How do you deduce that I would tolerate so much more from atheists, agnostics, etc? I’m not enraged about those who love Holy Mother Church. I’m enraged at those who feel so holier than thou that if I don’t agree with their opinion, in this case, that I don’t reject Laudato Sii in its entirety that I am insane and have no core moral values. Is that really someone who is open to other opinions?
And not that I have to defend myself, but for you to imply, even if you didn’t outright say, that I’m one of those Catholics who has no problem with the world and my fellow Catholics who use use contraception and all of the above sins you named, but I don’t. And I don’t know why a Catholic who doesn’t reject Laudato Sii pretty much automatically fits that bill in your mind.
I hold to the teachings on contraception. I hold to the teachings of the Church homosexuality (and I experience same-sex attraction: imagine that!), and I don’t advocate for womyn priests, and I absolutely don’t believe that those in adulterous second marriages should receive Communion, nor Christians of other denominations. Imagine, someone who thinks that maybe we should take care of our planet for the good of our posterity also holds to the traditional beliefs of our faith. *GASP!*
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I have not seen anyone who said that you cannot hold your opinion and I only said that their opinion is as worthy as yours to be heard. Now if that is being holier than thou then that is your opinion as well. You are entitled to it. In fact, I might go so far as to say that it is exactly the other scenario that you argue from: if you don’t agree with Laudato Si as I do, then you are not worthy of my attention nor will I listen to any arguments that you make to the contrary. And that is my opinion. We are both entitiled to them. Most of us here have nuanced degrees of agreement and disagreement and we have listened to one another and have argued many a point.
That’s one of the problems we have had to endure since the Spirit of Vatican II folks had their day. I don’t think Pope Francis is continue to help heal these wounds as did our last two Popes. But that’s me.
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I guess I don’t know why I have to explain this ad nauseam: I am not opposed to other opinions. What I am opposed to is how it is presented.
It absolutely is holier than thou to preface your argument with: if you don’t believe as I do, then I question your sanity and whether you have any core values whatsoever. That is how the link you shared with me began. Why the hell should I waste my time listening to someone with such an air of superiority over other Catholics?
You have still yet to answer how my opinion seems to lump me in with dissident Catholics on women’s ordination, gay “marriage”, divorced communion, etc.
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Because if you are a good Catholic man as I assume you are, you will listen first and dialogue second. Otherwise you will have no success in bringing people to a point of understanding or consensus. Sometimes dialogue becomes impossible and it becomes obvious. I am not lumpiing you in with dissidents. I am only saying that you pick and choose those who you will dialogue with: take your dialogue to them personally. You have a valid point for one who knows already that you are not going to agree with the writer because of his opening statement but I know already I’m not going to agree with a dissident Catholic as well: but I must listen to find out if dialogue is possible and if we can find some points of unity. Otherwise, what is the point of having any dialogues at all. Of course each person thinks they are right and that their opinion is the right one. If they don’t then they souldn’t be expressing it in the first place.
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I get what you are saying. But you really could not have found any other way to express to me your opinion than by sending me a link that starts with an insult that offensively insinuates that I don’t have control over my mental faculties (am insane) and that I have no core values?
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Sadly, at this point in time I have not found another that took as many passages from the encyclical and commented and yes, mocked, much of the content. But it has been a short time yet: more opinions will be given and plan on reading as many as I can. For I would love to have my optimism for this Pope restored but at this time it is pretty much gone. I’ll keep reading as I hope you will as well.
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But seriously how do you expect to believe that you yourself are not saying I cannot hold an opinion that is not the same as yours, when the link you send me says this regarding my opinion on Laudato Sii:
“one really is forced to wonder if these people are sane or whether they truly have any core convictions at all.”
What a reasonable person gets out of that is, sure you can have a different opinion, but your opinion is not Catholic.
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I hope I explained that in the last reply I made to you.
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But can you see why I, a human being with dignity, would not want to engage someone or something who prefaces their opinion by stating their opponents are insane and have no convictions?
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I have taught RCIA courses and inquiry classes where I have been met from day one with those who said almost exactly that concerning their belief which was in direct contradiction to Church teaching. Should I have stormed out of the room and left them to bloviate to the rest of the class or should I have waited until they finished venting to comment on each of the points. Some come around and others go. That is the human conditions that we have to live with: we each have our own conscience but they are all formed by different people and different experiences.
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But the difference is that this isn’t an RCIA class. It was an article on the internet. I wasn’t face to face with the author, or digital interface to digital interface with him. As brothers in Christ, particularly two who seem to agree on almost everything except for whether Laudato Sii is a good document or not, don’t we owe each other more charity than that? We have to be able to explain our faith without insulting people. Jesus was stern, but he didn’t usually BEGIN an argument by insulting your everyday average person. I am more than happy discuss Laudato Sii because I know there is a rich variety of experiences and understanding of Church teaching here, but if it can’t be civilized between brothers and sisters, then we haven’t learned much from Jesus.
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Well said and please take to heart your true words that an article is not an RCIA class. It isn’t and shouldn’t be expected to reflect the cordiallity that a face to face dialogue would provide. It is a short, in your face, expression of an opinion. I liked many of his opinions and they seemed to resonate with me. I have read others that did not. The others in support of Laudato Si are not always so gentle on those who don’t care for the document. There are plenty of harsh words from them that mirror such attitudes that you detest. But that is the nature of writing an opinion piece for a website isn’t it? Par for the course as they say.
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Right, I agree. And since it is a written opinion piece I have no obligation to read it or engage with it, especially when it begins the way it did.
I did, by the way, just finish reading it. I admit, parts of it were humorous. However, I was unable to take it seriously. The commentary was not helpful, it was only snark. Its a good political piece to rally the choir, but that’s about all it was good for.
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I think that the ‘snark’ was helpful to set out some of the obvious problems with the text — so it resonated with me. So that is fine and many kudos for you; at least we now have a basis for understanding one another and our opinions and also know that we are not just going to brush aside the other as though one of us is a neanderthal and the other refined. There are deep-seated reasons behind each of our objections or affirmations. Over time we may be able to flesh out more of this in dialogue over the coming posts. I’m sure this won’t be the last post on the encyclical or on many of the underlying issues therein. Anyway, I must be off and I enjoyed the bantering and welcome you again. I find you a most respectful and serious Catholic and hope to find you here often. 🙂
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Hello again DN. A long time ago when I first landed in the Land of Blog and found myself surrounded by the Aliens, someone who was much wiser than I told me to choose my battles well. Not everything read here needs a response from me. I can be very perfectly right about something and no one needs to know. I’ve yet to stop one moth from dancing too near the flames yet but I’ve yet to be burnt myself. SF is right. This place makes you think and I’m grateful for having had to stretch my noodle muscles. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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DN – a belated welcome. You have joined us at a time of greater than usual controversy. I don’t know whether you caught my first thoughts on LS, here: https://jessicahof.wordpress.com/2015/06/18/laudato-si-first-thoughts/ – I will have more tomorrow and subsequently, and would welcome your reaction.
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I did catch that, and enjoyed it. In fact it is what spurred me to write a similar post on my own blog.
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Let me go there now and catch up – good to have you with us.
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I have read it – and made an appreciative comment. So sorry to read about your friend Sam – prayers offered for the repose of his soul – and for healing.
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Bravo DN!!! You’ll fit right in here at AATWT. We don’t shy away from expressing ourselves. Glad you got it off your chest. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Indeed so. This is the type of new blood we need here who are ready to defend their positions and try to get down to the core of the objections to one another. You need be of stout heart. I think DN is showing himself to be that.
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Hello DN. Don’t toss all the utensils in the drawer because a few are rusty. Some who come here actually love and honor our Holy Father. The value of this place for me is found in listening to the various opinions no matter how divergent they may be from my own. It broadens and deepens my understanding of my brothers and sisters in Christ to converse with them about what they do believe and what they don’t. In this way I have benefited greatly here and elsewhere. I love talking it up with others especially when they don’t agree with me strange as that may seem to some. I learn from it and it forces me to dig for answers and replies that make sense and express what I believe. Yeah. It is good for me. I hope you find the value in it too. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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There is one other thing DN. I can say this only for myself though. I love, honor and obey my Holy Father, no matter who sits upon his seat. The Office he holds is Holy and given to us by God Himself. The Papacy is God’s gift to me, personally and if and when I accept that gift, a whole nuther world opens before my eyes and in my heart and gets lived in my life. It was a large factor in my conversion and I am very grateful that my heart was open to receive this gift from God when I recognized it in my life and felt the call of the Holy Spirit to me in my conversionary process. I have many times over been very gratefully aware of how great a gift this actually is. Some don’t even have a clue as to its even existence. They really and truly are clueless. If I were to try and explain it, it would be like trying to do what Plato pointed out in the Allegory of the Cave – they prefer the land of shadows and shades, shunning the true light of the world. Oh well. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. There are many who would attempt to rob me of this gift and I do stay wary of them. So, there ya have it. Ginnyfree’s take on things papal. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Sorry for my adverse reaction. I just became enraged at all the Pope Francis hatred on this post. It’s just so disturbing to see Catholics who vehemently hate the Holy Father in such an angry way. Of course it’s not everyone here, but this post seemed to fan the flames. I apologize for my overreaction which was just as inflammatory as those I was frustrated with.
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DN, welcome. Sorry you lost your friend Sam. Sounds like he was a great guy. May he rest in peace.
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Like Steve, I also wish to express my condolences to your loss and to all of his loved ones for such a senseless act of violence. May he rest in peace in the love of God.
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Hello DN. I don’t see it as a mockery of Pope Francis at all, but as a reality check on the extent to which some folks DO take the environmental issues in their own views. Some folks DO take this stuff way too far and have created a standard by which they tend to judge not only the world, but those about them. The Neo-Pantheism of these environmentalists is what SF is poking fun at, not the Pope. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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“This is a disgusting mockery.”
I’m sure you will have second thoughts on that comment, for the post here is just mildly satirical. If you see the way that Islamic State is upstaging the Vatican with a more consistent climate change policy, and I’m sure you will understand how we are all trying to achieve a more nuanced satirical approach, for the sake of the Kingdom:
http://brotherlapin.com/2015/06/24/islamic-state-upstages-vatican-on-climate-change/
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Thanks for sharing Brother Bunnyears. Good stuff. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Hello DN. I just visited your blog and read about Sam. May he rest in peace and may you be consoled by the Spirit in this time of loss. My best friend was murdered too. It is a tough one. Please treat yourself with care. God bless you and give you His peace. Ginnyfree.
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