It is hard to convey to those who approach the subject with a fixed prejudice that we are worshipping Mary, just what praying the Rosary adds to one’s spiritual life. I adopted the practice as an Anglican, continued it as an Orthodox and attribute my own crossing of the Tiber to it. Contemplative prayer is not something which comes easy to me. My mind tends to want to move on, having grasped whatever it is it needed to grasp; there is always another book to read, another set of thoughts with which to grapple, more to learn and to do; the depths of our faith are almost fathomless, and there is always something more to get from Holy Scripture. All of that is so, but none of it aids the process of prayer.
Newman recognised that it was hard to pray:
Most men indeed, I fear, neither pray at fixed times, nor do they cultivate an habitual communion with Almighty God. Indeed, it is too plain how most men pray. They pray now and then, when they feel particular need of God’s assistance; when they are in trouble or in apprehension of danger; or when their feelings are unusually excited. They do not know what it is either to be habitually religious, or to devote a certain number of minutes at fixed times to the thought of God.
Before I encountered the Rosary, that was very true of me. The Rosary gives me three things I needed: a regular habit of prayer; a fixed manner of prayer; and time to be with God. Like Our Lady herself, the prayer in profoundly Christocentric; it also anchors on firmly in Holy Scripture and sound doctrine.
So, we begin with a statement of the Apostles’ Creed – which reminds us of the essentials of our faith, and begins with a confession of what we believe about God – that the Godhead is a Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It grounds us, too, in a firm statement of belief in the redemption brought by Christ, who really died on the Cross, was really buried, and who rose again from the dead – and who will return at the end of time. It confesses our optimism in the belief that we shall rise again with him. That done, we move on to the prayer Jesus himself taught us – the first of six times that prayer is said during the twenty minutes or so it takes to pray a decade of the Rosary.
After three Hail Marys for faith, hope and charity to increase in us – and which of us would not want that? – we move on to meditating on episodes from Scripture. Across the twenty five mysteries, twenty four have Scriptural texts on which to meditate as you pray – so there is a journey through the Gospels and through episodes in the life and death of Christ: we move from the first Joyful Myster – the Annunciation, through to the fifth Glorious Mystery, the Coronation of Our Lady as Queen of Heaven. The only Mystery without Scriptural attestation is the Assumption of Our Lady, but that has been a belief of Christians for longer than texts exist, and is attested to through our belief that she was without sin.
The whole process, if one prays a decade, takes about twenty minutes or so, and provides an oasis of calm in the day. I tend to pray just before retiring for the night. It makes an end of the day, and provides a gap between it and sleep – allowing time with God, to meditate on his word and his goodness.
It is easy enough, even then, to be distracted, but the quiet of the night offers fewer distractions than the day, and, if you light candles, as I do, provides an atmosphere conducive to meditation. Through the Rosary, I have been able to do that thing Newman found hard – to pray as though one is in God’s presence, and to spend time and effort on it. Those who imagine it is some kind of ‘Mary-worship’ reveal only their ignorance, both of Catholic belief, and of the effects of the prayer itself. If you do not pray the Rosary, give it a try. it will take a while, but it is well worth it.
orthodoxgirl99 said:
Amen, amen and amen again! I love praying the Rosary and in fact will join a few others this evening straight from work, as I do every Friday evening. I wish more people would give the time to exploring this beautiful method of contemplative communion with Christ and prayer to His Mother.
Through my Orthodox faith I also love saying the Jesus Prayer which is another wonderful way of connecting with Christ and acknowledging our frailty and our need for his love and mercy. I have a prayer bracelet so I can easily ‘switch off’ and quietly say the JP whilst I am standing in a boring queue, focussing on a particular intention.
This common misunderstanding concerning ‘worshipping’ Our Blessed Lady or icons is often borne of ignorance and I explain to those that raise this objection that we REVERE and honour Mary, as we do the Saints and use the icons as a focus of contemplative prayer. This is not worshipping pictures or worshipping Mary – that is reserved for Father, Son and Holy Spirit! If they want to understand, they usually do.
I like your practice though C of saying a decade just before sleep. This makes a change from Compline and I think I will integrate this into my prayer life. Thank you 🙂
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Bosco the Great said:
=Oh yes, its dulia, or hyperdulia. Wait, its dulia, no its hyperdulia, I think. I forget which is which. Oh nevermind.
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chalcedon451 said:
It works well for me. I also pray the Jesus prayer, which I find edifying.
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ColdStanding said:
The Latin tradition has “Oh Lord, hear my cry. Oh God, make haste to help me.” “Lord, have mercy upon me, a sinner.” is good, too.
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Servus Fidelis said:
C, I think my rosary is broken just like my lawnmower. Mine doesn’t do 25 Mysteries; as it only has 15 mysteries (20 with the Luminous) that it is able to guide me through. Maybe you’re using a newer model rosary than the one I have? 🙂
However, I’ve thought of adding the 5 Humorous Mysteries for Bosco which, perhaps, you are already using:
!. Bosco Gets Saved While Looking for Chicks
II. The Bosco Magical Bus Ride Where Bosco Meets Jesus
III. Jesus Sups with Bosco and Takes Him Out for Hamburgers
IV. Bosco Finds that His Guitar is an Idol
V. Bosco is Given a Mission From God to Make Fun of All Christian Religions
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Servus Fidelis said:
A link to Dom Marmion’s thoughts on the Rosary that you might like:
https://www.ewtn.com/library/Prayer/MYSTROSA.HTM
And an interesting link about the Rosary and the Boko Haram menace in Nigeria.
http://www.onepeterfive.com/is-nigeria-experiencing-a-marian-miracle
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chalcedon451 said:
No, I just can’t add up 🙂 I like the Bosco mysteries – he’s certainly a mystery!
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Servus Fidelis said:
He really is isn’t he? 🙂
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orthodoxgirl99 said:
Bwahahahahaa! I shouldn’t laugh…but that is really funny SF!!
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Servus Fidelis said:
Thank you OrthodoxGirl . . . just in a silly mood I guess.
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Bosco the Great said:
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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Servus Fidelis said:
More vain repetitions from you, Bosco?
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Bosco the Great said:
For being intelligent people, im very surprised that you fall for this Diana worship.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I don’t think any of us know Diana. Sounds like one of your California surfer girls . . . that you fell for perhaps?
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Bosco the Great said:
Come on good brother, you know as well as I do that good brother Constantine substituted Mary for Diana to get theDiana worshipers to come to his new religion. Now you grovel befor Diana. But you think its Mary.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Can’t you find a new programmer to fix the bug in your software? Seems you are stuck in the same old sub-routine and can’t get out of the continuous, repetitive loop.
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Bosco the Great said:
All you catholics know and admit that Constantine renamed all that pagan stuff. The Baal sun symbol is the monsterance you Bozos bow befor. And your head idolater has a pine cone staff. You cant deny that. All you can do is say that Bosco is wrong and an idiot. But you cant say that your head man doesn’t have a pine cone staff. Because he does.
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Servus Fidelis said:
What is a better symbol for Christ the Light of the World than the sun that lights up this material world? We sent you links on the pine cone that you still have not read but being stuck in your programming loop you need to have another subroutine added to the program. Vain repetition is all you seem able to come up with; very sad.
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Bosco the Great said:
You can send all the links you want. You still bow befor the Baal sun symbol. Then you get up and repeat vain prayer while bowing befor Diana.
Amazing
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Servus Fidelis said:
That’s why you need a programmer to give you some new material. Right now it appears that the vainest of repetitions are what you spew forth daily.
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chalcedon451 said:
No we don’t, because no he didn’t. Where do you get this rubbish? The reason we say you are an idiot is you repeat stuff only an idiot would believe.
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Bosco the Great said:
WHy do you need a symbol? Why does the pope have a pine cone on his staff, like the Babylon priests did.Why all the images? Does one really need them/
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chalcedon451 said:
No, he didn’t. You are so credulous. Give me a reputable historical source for this nonsense.
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chalcedon451 said:
If we did it would be. More surprising is that someone who tells us he is intelligent – you – repeats such clap trap.
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Bosco the Great said:
Uh oh. I looked at this girl yesterday with lust. You betcha. I should have gone up to her. Im a big chicken. next time im gonna go say something. But in the mean time, I need to say 30 hail Marys. Or is it 32 hail Marys. Maybe its 35 hail Marys to get rid of the sin. Ill have to ask my local costume pedophile how many repetitions I have to do.
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Servus Fidelis said:
So you reveal Diana at last . . . your carnal desires are showing, Bosco, as is your preoccupation with homosexuality and pedophilia. A bit of advice: forget about seeing a priest and go for psychiatric therapy first.
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Bosco the Great said:
Im divorced. I didn’t cheat. My wife left me for her first husband. Im free to find someone else. Its OK for me to look.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I thought you were going out with a girl for about 14 years now. Is it fair to her or don’t you care about other people and how they feel? Are your intentions honorable or not? If not, why then do you think it is OK with Jesus and how this fits in with the whole notion that after you were saved nothing in this world was worth squat . . . presumably only Jesus and heaven have any lasting meaning. So why do you lust? Is it because you have perpetrated a huge hoax on yourself in order to excuse your behavior?
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Bosco the Great said:
Good question. And I was wondering when someone was going to ask. Me and my girlfriend aren’t an item anymore. We hang out and go places and do things and stuff. But we aren’t doing the do. God put an end to that. So, im looking for a help meet at the moment. Be ye not unequally yoked. A saved girl is what I need.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I would have thought that the saved don’t need a help mate . . . only Jesus. Since you have heaven in you, as you have stated, what more could you want? After all, there is no need of another spouse in heaven: for Christ is the spouse of your soul . . . or are you a bigamist?
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Bosco the Great said:
Aye man, I needs me a hunny bunny. Know what I mean?
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Servus Fidelis said:
I’m afraid that only you know what you mean by that. A psychiatrist might help you find out what you mean if you don’t already know.
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Bosco the Great said:
God made female for the male. its not that im in a hurry for being with some out of her mind idiot female. But I do want a help mate. lamby is gonna be pissed as hell when I come up with another girlfriend. Cause my new girl isn’t gonna want me to hang around my ex. Its gonna be a blow up. But, whats a bloke gonna do?
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Servus Fidelis said:
Turn to God, perhaps? You think you have but it is apparent by your answers and struggles that you haven’t yet met the Lord in a significant way that can compare to the intimacy with Christ that many Christians whom you criticize have.
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Bosco the Great said:
Look whos talking. You belong to a false religion that bows befor graven images, and the holymen wear Dagon fish hats.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I’m not a perfect Catholic but I also am not the one who claims he is saved and is asking Jesus to satisfy his flesh by sending him some chicks to satisfy his urges.
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Bosco the Great said:
Once , a few yrs ago, I saw some lady at the Calvary Chapel. I just saw her for a second in the crowd. I kept going to that service, 10;30, to se her again. About almost a yr later I saw her. All of her. yuck. That’s wasn’t for me.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Can’t see past the flesh into the soul or heart of another human being yet? Seems so odd for a self-proclaimed saved person.
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Bosco the Great said:
I take it that you are happily Married good brother Servus. My wife left me. She made a mistake. She left him when she found out he still did drugs and was a thief. But, maybe I will be back with her. I hope not.
Why cant I talk to Jesus about my desires? He made me human. I talk to him about everything. If and when you meet him, you can too.
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Bosco the Great said:
The first time I saw her, I only saw her body, not her face. When I saw her face, she was old. I don’t do the old thing. Sorry sport.
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Bosco the Great said:
See into the soul. hahahahah. I see into the soul all the time. but if im gonna wake up with some broad, I want to see a pretty face. Ill leave it to you good brother Servus, to look into the soul. hahahahahaha (;-D
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Bosco the Great said:
“For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (Hebrews 4:14-16).
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Bosco the Great said:
Im not a bad person. Mt ex wife is all over me and she wants to be in my life and does things with me and I even stay at her house with her new husband. My girlfriend cant do without me either. Its god that keeps me from doing bodily sin.
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Servus Fidelis said:
That’s comforting to know Bosco. There is more to life than satisfying the lust of the flesh.
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Bosco the Great said:
Sometimes I really get pissed at Jesus for meddling in my sex life. But he does what he wants. I cant stop him sometimes. its just how it is. The shepherd takes his staff and pulls you in his direction. Like it or not. And I don’t always like it.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Does that mean that you do ‘stop Him’ sometimes? Sad that you claim that you are saved and haven’t yet mastered control of the flesh or control of you earthly desires. Maybe you would be able to do a better job of it if you would go and make a good Confession and then receive our Lord in Holy Communion; incorporating Him in your body as well as your heart so that you could fight these demons you wrestle with.
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Bosco the Great said:
hahahahahahaha. Well, thanks for the advice. Are you like drunk? Don’t you think he doesnt knows my sin? Do you think I don’t talk to him about my desires and probs? We are together 24 hrs a day. What the hell do you think we do all day?
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Servus Fidelis said:
So when do you have time to sin and lust after the flesh; when He is taking a nap?
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Bosco the Great said:
hahahahah. Good question. jesus just has to deal with it.
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Bosco the Great said:
The unsaved don’t understand. When one is saved, Jesus really deals with you. catholics think the cracker in the golden cage is Jesus. they come once a week and look at it. But the saved have to walk with him 24 hrs a day. Its a joy, but its not what our flesh wants. Its a war 24 hrs a day.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Jesus is no cracker and we ‘unsaved’ have Christ in our body, our minds and our heart 24/7. Christ wants to help bridge the gap between the flesh and the glorified bodies we are given in heaven. He wants to be the food that sustains you in this life no only spiritually but also physically. There is no personal relationship with Jesus that is more intense, more intimate, more rewarding than taking Him at His Word by eating His Flesh and drinking His blood so that you might have Life (His eternal glorified Life) within you.
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Bosco the Great said:
If you say so my brother.
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Bosco the Great said:
jesus knows very well I like softig girls. hes doing what he can to find me a nice big soft chick a dee. believe me, Jesus has his hands full dealing with me and my madness. he brings me girls and most of the time I reject them. Im sure hes had it with me.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I shouldn’t wonder since Christ is not into setting you up for the purpose of satisfying your lust. But Beelzebub is up for the challenge.
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Bosco the Great said:
hahahahahaha. It take back saying that you have no sense of humor.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I am happily married . . . thanks be to God.
I have met Jesus and was too awe struck to do anything but adore Him and beg forgiveness of my many sins. I have not, as yet, thought to ask Him to procure for me objects of worldly desire.
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Bosco the Great said:
that’s BECAUsE your god is a worthless cracker in a golden cage. He gave me aguitar that I shouldn’t have gotten. Seek him first and everything shall be added. hes human and knows we have wants.
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Servus Fidelis said:
He does, but he gives you what you need not what you want . . . at least the Real Jesus works that way. I would think that ‘saved’ (being tight with God) would not even think about such things much less try to have Him procure them. Do you think Christ is a pimp that will send you a girl to satisfy your lust? Isn’t He enough for you?
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Bosco the Great said:
I wish I was happily married.
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Bosco the Great said:
Jesus is great. he made heaven and earth. Im good with knowing him. But hey, I needs me a hunny bunny. But, you know what, if he doesn’t send me anyone, im fine with that. Paul had to deal with what im going thru. he wound up saying that if he don’t get a broad, hes good with that. he got alittle bitter and said that all guys(saved) should forget having a chick. That’s cause he was all messed up. Forget Paul. he was uptight anyway.
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Servus Fidelis said:
We’re praying for you Bosco; you are one sad sack.
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chalcedon451 said:
Poor thing – we can only pray for him and hope.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Alas, that is all that can possibly work at this point.
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Bosco the Great said:
Attention; become a catholic and god no longer does anything for you. hes a far off god but comes in the form of a cracker. But don’t ask anything of him.
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Servus Fidelis said:
No He gives us what we need for our salvation Bosco. He does not give us that which will not last . . . we can do that all by ourselves. We ask plenty of Him . . . but we don’t ask Him to give us cheap thrills or to send us sinful pleasures. They will tempt us anyway so we only ask that we no longer are tempted beyond our means and He gives us the grace to overcome them. It is a process Bosco . . . and obviously you haven’t been through it or you wouldn’t sound like a Muslim drooling over getting 72 virgins in heaven.
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Bosco the Great said:
Youre talking to someone who met Jesus. Meeting him isn’t a process. But, the unsaved think all kinds of things. He does give us the desires of our hearts. Not if they are illegal. But the saved have desires that are normal. Too bad your god is just a cracker. Mine is maker of heaven and earth.
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Servus Fidelis said:
We have holy desires and evil desires and obviously the ‘saved’ such as yourself still have both. God forgive you for calling Jesus a cracker with such distain for you have slapped Him in His face . . . the Christ Whom you lie about when you say that you have met Him. The maker of Heaven and earth has given Himself Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity to all Who come and seek Him. He awaits you Bosco, though the evil spirits do not want you to find Him. They are content to give you all the things you want in this life regardless of their ultimate consequence to your soul. The Jesus you speak to is but a trick of Satan but only the Grace of God and the love of Christ the King and His Holy Mother might save you from their clutches and cure your blindness.
Our Lady of Good Success pray for us and may the Immaculate Heart of Mary be praised throughout the world. Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us. Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us. Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us. We place all our trust in Thee.
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Bosco the Great said:
good sister Mary said…do whatever he says. Jesus said not to praise the paps that gave him suck. Seems cathols don’t even obey Mary.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Out of context and a very poor attempt at exegesis. But for you, that was about as good as it gets.
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njb4725 said:
C, would you be interested on writing a piece about Protestant Marian practices? I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Luther and Calvin both maintained reverence for her.
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Bosco the Great said:
Don’t you mean Diana practices?
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njb4725 said:
Well, that assumes what it needs to prove. While I don’t personally approve of “prayers to Mary”, I don’t wish to prejudice the case. A proper debate between you and C should involve proper citation of sources and use of structured arguments with appropriate philosophical, rhetorical, and theological terminology.
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t need no theological terminology.
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njb4725 said:
Well, that’s up to you, of course. but you’d be following in Paul’s footsteps if you used some, and would be more likely to persuade C and the other Catholics here. I’m not saying it’s a substitute for the Word, but being a good apologist is part of what you’re commanded to do by Paul and Peter: 2 Tim. 4:2; 1 Pet. 3:15.
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Bosco the Great said:
We are commanded to be all things to all men. So how come you never tell them their house is on fire?
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chalcedon451 said:
I know they both had a reverence for her, Nick, but beyond that, precious little.
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Bosco the Great said:
Luther was as catholic as the Pope. he just got tired of the wickedness. My friend Ed doesn’t go to mass anymore, but he still thinks there is some female out there in the sky to lovingly put her arms around him. he really believes this. And he doesn’t believe anything he cant see. he makes fun of me all the time.
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Bosco the Great said:
“For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsman;
“Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
“So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at naught; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.
“And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians” (Acts 19:24-28).
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Now, according to the Catholic Word of the Day, the Modern Catholic Dictionary gives this definition of Diana of Ephesus:”
“Roman goddess of the moon, identified with Artemis among the Greeks who worshiped her as a virgin huntress. The Diana of the Ephesians was a combination of Artemis and the Semitic goddess Ashtoreth, patroness of the sexual instinct…”
the CC has Semiramis, I mean Diana, oops, I mean Mary, standing on the cresent moon.
its time for the cathols to say….its just a coincidence.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, there’s no connection at all. Unless you think Jesus had no mother. Know Jesus? Don’t make me sadder for you than I am. You are satan’s dupe. When you are in the lake of fire, you will know the real spirit you met. The rest of us can see him in every comment you post.
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Bosco the Great said:
Pine cone staff, Dagon fish hats, sun symbol, mother child deity. Youre rite….theres no connection there.
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chalcedon451 said:
Only in the minds of those poisoned by Satan – that’s the connection. You only have to look at the fruit borne by those who say this stuff to see whence it comes. You bear daily witness.
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Bosco the Great said:
“Dearest Lady of Guadalupe, fruitful Mother of Holiness, teach me your ways of gentleness and strength. Hear my prayer, offered with deep-felt confidence to beg this favor…
“O Mary, conceived without sin, I come to your throne of grace to share the fervent devotion of your faithful Mexican children who call to thee under the glorious Aztec title of “Guadalupe”–the Virgin who crushed the serpent.
“Queen of Martyrs, whose Immaculate Heart was pierced by seven swords of grief, help me to walk valiantly amid the sharp thorns strewn across my pathway.
“Invoke the Holy Spirit of Wisdom to fortify my will to frequent the Sacraments so that, thus enlightened and strengthened, I may prefer God to all creatures and shun every occasion of sin.
“Help me, as a living branch of the vine that is Jesus Christ, to exemplify His Divine charity always seeking the good of others. Queen of Apostles, aid me to win souls for the Sacred Heart of my Savior.
“Keep my apostolate fearless, dynamic and articulate, to proclaim the loving solicitude of Our Father in Heaven so that the wayward may heed His pleading and obtain pardon, through the merits of your merciful Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.”
What an incredibly revealing prayer! Understand that Roman Catholics claim to pray to Mary as an intermediary between them and “Jesus.” They believe that Jesus sits on His throne as a stern, angry, judgmental God, who stands ready to destroy mankind for our sinfulness and disobedience. They therefore petition Mary, who they believe intercedes on their behalf, because Jesus “cannot deny His mother.” But, as one can plainly see, Mary is not the intermediary here. These petitions are to Mary herself.
http://www.thestillman.com/stillmanfiles/2012/10/a-goddess-by-any-other-name/
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Bosco the Great said:
if you really wanted to stir cathols to holiness, don’t put a pic of good brother Johnpaul holding some beads to his head. Put a pic of some real action. Put a pic of him whipping himself closer to god, using one of our very own Johnpaul II penance Kits.
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Bosco the Great said:
I wonder how many photos the photographer took befor they decided on that pic of Johnpaul?
Ok pal, hold it, hold still, come one, give me holy, I wanna se holy…..(snap)…Great, got it.
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