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Christianity sees history in teleological terms – that is as having a purpose and leading to an end; in our case the Second Coming in Glory when the living and the dead will be judged and the first world will pass away and we shall see a new one, and the dead will be resurrected. It is not the only faith, or belief system, which has a teleology. Islam has one, and it sees history as the process by which the whole world will be brought to Allah. From the rise of Islam through to the late eighteenth century, it was easy enough to see this teleology playing itself out, as, in amazing fashion, a group of nomads from the Arabian desert, and their successors, conquered the whole Roman Empire by the 1450s. It was not until 1774 that the great Islamic Empire gave up territory it had conquered; from that point on, the teleology became more a matter of faith than historical fact, as the realm of Islam shrank, and its influence dwindled. This baffled and angered many Muslims – it was not how history was supposed to play out. But it fed into another teleology which had another vision of how history was supposed to turn out – that of the Enlightenment – and today, I would suggest, we might be on the verge of having to do what Islam has had to do, which is to question that teleology.
What, for the sake of convenience we label ‘the West’, had believed, is that the Enlightenment values, of liberty, equality and fraternity, would spread across the world until the less enlightened societies become more like our own. For the last three centuries, such a narrative was not only plausible, but, like the earlier Islamic one, could be ‘proved’ from ‘history’. So, if, in the early 1970s, one looked at the old Islamic world from the point of view of the West, the story was indeed one of progress: from Algeria through Cairo, Beirut, Damascus and through to Kabul, there were universities, schools and societies modelled on our own – there was a process we called ‘modernisation’, or sometimes, more accurately, ‘westernisation’. On the campuses and in the streets of these capitals, one would see women in Western dress, driving cars, going to University, and there was a palpable sense that the future would, indeed, see the triumph of ‘Western values’. A swift survey of all those places now reveals the hollowness of those hopes. Far from, as some believed at the time, even the rigid Islamic society of Saudi Arabia eventually catching up with the West, the Islamic world has chosen to go in their direction. The teleology is no longer so clear.
In part this is because Western secular liberalism seems to have lost faith in itself. If one said that all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing, our reaction as a society would be to question whether ‘evil’ existed and how one would judge, and to ask whether that was not rather elitist of us? Who, after all, are we. to define ‘good’? Someone would be sure to add that the use of the word ‘men’ was everyday sexism. If we wanted to say that ‘the worst’ were ‘full of passionate intensity’, the same relativistic reflexes would be liable to paralyse us.
Yes, faced with something like the events last week in Paris, our leaders will (well, most of them, some found the football more engrossing) seize a photo opportunity, and we still enjoy enough power in the world for others to wish to be seen to join in, but as for actually doing anything – well, that’s another matter. We can be ‘Charlie’, but that other ‘hashtag’ – ‘bring back our girls’ – well, Nigeria is a far away country about which, in reality, we know little and care less; were this not so we would do something.
Western liberal secularism has many good things to be said for it, but it lacks any animating spirituality. It does not comprehend what it sees in Islam, or, for that matter, Putin and China, and so it projects its teleology on them. These things are ‘blips’, the ‘rise of the West’ is the ‘end of history’, and the world will, surely, get back to moving in the direction ‘we’ want. That may be so, but it is no more inevitable than the Islamic teleology, and it may we that like the Muslims, we in the West may have to cope with the shock of realising history is not moving in our direction, and we are not riding its tide.
Where does the Christian sit here? On the whole, he or she tends to be in favour of ‘Western values’, which is not surprising as so many of them derive from a Judeo-Christian heritage which we are busy trying to forget. But the experiment, began in the eighteenth century and run through to now, of seeing whether those values could stand up by themselves without the spirituality which animated them has, I suspect, failed. Man was not ‘born good’ and enslaved by religion. He was born fatally flawed, and Christianity, with its offer of redemption and its moral codes underpinned by the belief they were God’s Law, helped provide not only hope of eternal life, but frameworks within which men and women could restrain the bad and encourage the good in them. It also provided, as we can see form our culture, the impetus for great music, art and literature, as well as for the impulse to evangelise the world.
Perhaps the effort of giving birth to all of that has left our society effete, in the real meaning of that word? At any rate, it is becoming clear that lacking the spirituality which once animated the society which proclaimed ‘Western values’. the West lacks the vitality and the will to spread them – and perhaps – ultimately, to defend them in the face of those who will die for their beliefs.
Well our President may have been watching football when the world was demonstrating but who else would have sent John Kerry along with James Taylor to France to sing “You’ve God a Friend?”
As far as the Enlightenment Teleology and the Islam Teleology they have the same end in mind: an idealized heaven on earth. Neither movement has a Pope that unites the differing opinions of how this should look and what the rules of the end game look like. It may be why Islam lost all its holdings from previous conquests and disintegrated and why the Enlightenment is doing the same. It seems that, the Catholics, at the least, should rally behind the Church at this moment and see both of the others as false prophets with a false End in mind. Our end is God alone and will not be reached this side of Heaven.
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That was supposed to be: :’You’ve got a friend.’ Maybe he should have changed this to ‘Your God is a Friend.’ Freudian finger slip on my part.
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A true Freudian slip π
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Indeed so. π
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I am still trying to blot the James Taylor thing from my mind; the award for the most-cringeworthy moment in politics this year may already be settled!
It is certain, alas, that if Christians do not unite now when we have the time and luxury of choosing to do so, we shall be forced into it by defeats at the hands of our enemies.
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Yes that cringeworthy moment in politics is my vote as well.
Yes, Christians need to reject both notions and stand together for the timeless uniter – being one in Christ. It becomes apparent that a strong Pope will need to appeal to the world in this regard. Ours has the popularity. It remains to be seen whether he has the cunning to draw them somehow to the same end that the Church has in mind for Christians.
BTW: I must acknowledge that I took some of my thoughts from an article this morning on Rorate. It is worth a read: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-real-root-of-extremism-by-vittorio.html
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Thank you for the link, which I hadn’t picked up and will read this afternoon.
This short essay is the ranging shot, so to say, of a series of thoughts on Christianity in our era – I hope to make some sense at some point π
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It is worth a try to attempt to put this ceaseless streaming of ideas and news stories in some kind of order that we might make some sense of it. Otherwise it simply seems to be a world in total chaos without a leader and without a purpose and without a solution or end game.
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I hope to try – and will be interested in comments – as indeed I always am.
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God willing, you will get them. I’m never lost for an opinion. π
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And very valuable I find them – and not only me π
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I don’t know about that but nobody has accused me of being shy.
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Good thing too π
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I make no claims to being a historian, but even as a casual observer, I would say that one of the clearest lessons of history is that all civilisations heretofore have come to an end. I see no reason to think that ours is any different. Indeed, the barbarian is not only at the gate, but also has friends within the citadel. And perhaps that is no bad thing. ‘The West’ has so corrupted itself, that perhaps a remnant is what it will take to re-start the project of Christendom.
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Welcome here, Ben. Yes, I think that both your observations are on the money. The Enlightenment teleology feeds off and into a sense of Western triumphalism which, at the moment, is blinding our leaders and commentators to what they would call ‘the direction of travel’.
The fear is that, having divorced ‘Western values’ from the Faith which made them real and enduring values on which a civilisation could build, we have a hollowed out ‘culture’ which is unable to withstand serious assault.
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. . . not to mention that they have abdicated their moral voice by being the most hypocritical of cultures. π
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Yes, there’s an interesting parallel here with China and Christianity, which I want to try to bring out later.
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I will be most interested.
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Me, too!
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Am I alone in not mistaking change for destruction?
The sky is not falling in. Harold is buried where he was put almost 1,000 yrs ago, as are all his successors. That is a sign of immense stability. Enjoy it.
Cathy
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Welcome, dear Cathy.
I’m not, here, suggesting the sky is falling in, but rather that unless we wake up and act, there is a more than reasonable chance that it might. The sky falling in, of course, is a natural phenomenon which may well happen one say, but about which we can do but little. The emptying out of our the heart of our culture, and our unwillingness, as a society, to even acknowledge it, well that, perhaps, we can do something about.
Is it stability, or rigor mortis? At some stages they can look quite similar π
Good to have you with here here – and for anyone who has not visiting your site – I encourage them to do so π
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Stability. Rigor mortis is completely different.
I recommend a Dictionary. A good one.
π
Cathy
Xxxx
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There is, though, a moment in time when the two resemble each other, and this may well be it.
The lack of vigour in our politics, in our art and culture generally are not, I think, signs of health. A population as suspicious as we have been made, of democratic politics and its ability to effect real changes, again, speaks of a stability so fragile it may well be about to break.
In the end, democracy depends on trust, and our leaders trust us as much as we trust them.
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I am unlikely to agree. I find distrust of politicians a healthy sign, rather than otherwise.
I don’t see change as necessarily bad. What we have is nowhere near perfect enough to be left as it is; if abuses are uncovered in any area then change can’t come soon enough.
Ymmv. We are unlikely to fall out over it.
Cathy
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Distrust is healthy, corrosive cynicism is destructive, as it opens the way to the Farages and Le Pens of the world. I may, as I often am, be wrong, but there is something very unhealthy in our politics.
As a conservative, I tend to find that most change is usually for the worse π
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First and I think most importantly, Cathy’s site is indeed quite wonderful, and I also welcome her here. C’s been remiss in not sending us there sooner, I fear.
Politics in Anglo-America does seem to become increasingly toxic, as it seems the ruling elites work for themselves as the populace increasingly distrust them. I’ve no real answers but think we should be trying to find them. If we do, as always a goodly part of the world will follow us, of course they will if we don’t as well, which is not good..
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In my mind, there is nothing stable about societies that kill their babies and put their old and sick to death. Continuing on with decaying moral values is not really growth in anything other than chaos. It won’t be long before we will kill out our civilization by declining birth rates and be replaced by another that still procreates. Is that still the same civilization? Is it thriving?
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If you are going to put your own semantic conditions to a term, then of course you can convince yourself of anything you like.
However, like it or not every civilisation, modern and ancient, has practised infanticide, so you might care to think again.
Cathy
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Well did they do it to the tune of a negative birthrate? The only ones I know that disappeared due to non-production were the Shakers.
Of course civilizations rise and fall and some, like a phoenix arise from the ashes. All I am saying is that corruption of morality in a society leads to annihilation: Rome, Nazi Germany, and I suspect we’ll see the same among the Soviets, Chinese and the Western Civilizations as we see them now – unless we see a turn back towards morality. Do you think we will receive God’s grace in great measure if we continue to follow this direction of licentiousness and self-absorption where the financial burden of children and the aging is no longer worth the blessing of children or the wisdom of the old? If that is the sign of a stable society I would like to see a success story that followed a course like this and is still vibrant today.
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Yes, I feel much the same as C., and for months have been quoting ‘The Empty Men”, and “The Center Cannot Hold” to myself. But you know, Cathy is indeed right, while our problems are indeed real, and I think C. marks them well, especially as amplified by SF. the sky will only fall with the last trump.
This struck me last me last night, and I did what I often do, I turned to a favorite author to help me through the night. That author is well known enough here to not need an introduction, so I will simply copy what gave me comfort, and the lesson I needed, Indeed it was written to cheer me, and others up.
“Chestertonβs Ballad of the White Horse deals with an episode in what must have seemed at the time the doomed attempts by King Alfred of Wessex to deal with the invading Norsemen. No one did historical-Romantic despair like GKC, and I adore the whole poem. It is far too long to quote in full, but the lines which came back to me as the result of reading the two posts were those Our Lady speaks to King Alfred at the lowest moment of his fortunes:
I tell you naught for your comfort,
Yea, naught for your desire,
Save that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher
The lines are repeated in a different context toward the end as Alfred gathers the Saxons for what will prove the last and successful battle
βAnd this is the word of Mary,
The word of the worldβs desire
`No more of comfort shall ye get,
Save that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher.β
Now it proves the flint against which the iron of resolve is sharpened, and the Saxons rally and they win, even though all had seemed lost. Alfred was not the most charismatic or dramatic of leaders, but he won, and this is why:
And this was the might of Alfred,
At the ending of the way;
That of such smiters, wise or wild,
He was least distant from the child,
Piling the stones all day.
Alfred has faith and he had patience, and he had resilience; he lacked the capacity to despair. In short, he possessed all the Christian virtues. He listened to Our Lady and he understood her advice, and so, at the height of the battle:
The King looked up, and what he saw
Was a great light like death,
For Our Lady stood on the standards rent,
As lonely and as innocent
As when between white walls she went
And the lilies of Nazareth.
And so, through many a sorrow and woe, the steadfast faith of Alfred proved victorious where the charismatic personalities of men with less character failed.
Here there is a lesson for us all β if we will read it.”
And so we must carry on, with faith in both the future and our God, and trust him to strengthen our arm. Not that any of this is easy.
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Indeed it is not easy to hold to values so despised by a deteriorating morality. You are mocked and shunned and most battles against this Godlessness is defeated. But try and try again is all that we have going for us: persistence is the key to overcoming the swelling ranks of the evils that we are facing.
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It is indeed.
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Yes, all of that. Lovely. π
Cathy
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Thank you. Jessica wrote that here (and it was republished on mine) some two and a half years ago, after i published a post similar in tone to C.’s today. Your comment reminded me that I had read it again last night, so thank you. BTW I love your site, as well.
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It is interesting to read a historian’s interpretation of the current crisis of the West. It is indeed the most dismal start to a new year that I can remember. But when you think about it, few of us who were born halfway through the last century have lived through really catastrophic times, unlike the generations before us.
When I took the school remembrance assembly in November, I told the children the story of the Gresham School cricket team, showing them the photograph of the Gresham XI at the school match against the Old Greshamians in July 1914. By 1918 five of these boys were dead, and six of the team they played against that day. Half the men on a cricket field wiped out by the folly of a world war over a squabble that still remains obscure. A traumatic disaster: but it was not the end of the West. In 1918, everyone went back to their lives and carried on.
Likewise after the second world war, with cities flattened by bombing and the horrors of mass exterminations; people carried on and rebuilt their lives amid the shortages, the rationing, and the drab surroundings of an economy wrecked by war. We heard our fathers and our grandfathers talk about these times, and sometimes not want to talk too much, but did we ever hear them say, “We thought it was the end of western civilisation”? I don’t think so.
And we of the “baby boomer” generation, what did we have instead. The Cold War. An unreal, unimaginable nuclear threat, which nobody of our generation can really say they were psychologically “damaged” by. I remember once playing cards and drinking coffee in the crew room at RAF St Athan where we were taking our break from a major service on a Vulcan bomber, and the subject of what would the world be like if the Blue Steel nuclear stand-off bomb this aircraft carried was dropped on Moscow or wherever she was programmed to target, and we had the full force of retaliation. We couldn’t really imagine what the world would be like (and in any case, a passing Warrant Officer said, “Right lads, that’s enough of that: change subject.”)
Yes, there are times in history when civilisations come to an end, but I do not believe we are in a time when the west is terminally threatened, or even facing a credible alternative civilisation. When you look at the enemy – and Islam certainly has made itself the enemy now – they have already taken into their culture the seeds of modernity that will undermine their religious ideology. It is going to be a slow process. Whatever you think of the present Egyptian President Al-Sisi, this short video of him confronting the Muslim hierarchy with the statement that “ideology is taking Islam to perdition” is worth watching, and it gives me hope (as does his speech to the Coptic Christians of Cairo also easily found on YouTube).
I believe the death cults of ISIS and Al Qua’ida, and what is happening in the tragedies of Nigeria and now in Europe too, show us the death throes of a religious ideology which is doomed to self-destruct, due to the ever-increasing factionalism within it, accellerated by violence that knows no bounds. Al-Sisi meets that problem head-on in his stark warning, and don’t forget: he threw out the Muslim Brotherhood very successfully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhNarfrlec
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Excellent points, and yes, it may well be the case that what we are seeing in the Muslim world are the rather vigorous (alas) death throes of a form of Islam which is toxic – after all, if, forty years ago in Kabul, there were emancipated women, there may yet be again.
It isn’t so much them, I fear, it is the lack of a moral core to our leaders and their defence of our ‘values’.
Christianity remains, I think, the only firm basis for our civilisation, which would be a good deal better if it would get back to it.
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I do not think we have left Christian values at all. But even were it the case, despair would still not be a virtue.
π
Cathy
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Nor do I think that a goodly share of populations have, our political elites may be a different story, or perhaps they are merely blinded by avarice. Time will tell. I do think in both of our countries there is a hard core that will carry on regardless, Like was said above, our fathers and grandfathers never despaired, and I don’t think we can legitimately compare our situation to say 1940.
Often, i think we would be well advised to be less well-informed (or perhps mis-informed) by our media who seems to carry a pernicious message far to often.
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You are more optimistic about the moral state of our society than I can find it in me to be. I am not an advocate of despair, but rather an opponent of the consensual complacency I think I see – #Jeremiah
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Indeed. It should be a time for good men to do something rather than nothing.
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I think ‘despair’ is a bit over the top; at least among those on this website. Concern and sadness to watch a civilization divest itself of its moral virtues is quite another thing. On the other hand, in the face of our moral challenges I doubt any one of us would break into the tune, ‘Everything Is Beautiful.’ π
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Your point on what may be the vigorous death throes of a type of Islam, may be accurate, I seem to see (dimly) an echo of the 60s in America where suddenly it seemed as if “Is that all there is”. 20 year olds shouldn’t be worrying about retirement plans, it can lead to a drab life.
In its home countries and even in the west, there isn’t much hope for improvement for most of these young men, and so, perhaps, they lash out. So perhaps our welfare systems, which allow them little room to accomplish much work against us.
Another facet to look at, the middle east is mostly an extraction society (read oil), and as other areas ramp up production, opportunities there will decrease as well, with much the same result. What will happen as the middle east retreats back into the unimportance it had before the Enlightenment? There’s an interesting question, I suspect. I hope the answer doesn’t include nuclear weaponry but, suspect it might.
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Interesting questions, Neo. The old routine of ‘bread and circuses’ continues to prove that man does not live by bread (or circuses) alone π
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Indeed, they are rather unsatisfying, long term.
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That was in anticipation of some of the comments we’ve had thus far π
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The DT today suggested that the Fall of the British Empire can be dated to the death of Churchill. Be that as it may, England had already tasted Socialism under, Clement, the mountains laboured and brought forth a mouse, Atlee. The entitlement Society was born under the NHS. The rest
of Europe was making the same changes.
It was in 1956, that I boarded a small freighter out of Liverpool and landed at Richibucto on the Miramachi river in New Brunswick Canada. It was to get away from what seemed to be a stifling society. Now, after all these years and my many travels ending in Scottsdale Arizona I find that Europe is in the process of catching up to me here.
For me at 83, the future is sure, the time less uncertain. I will not see the complete decline on the US.
The only thing that motivates every day is what the Holy Mother told me, “That you must love is all that matters. I will take care of those
you love and bring them to my Son Jesus Christ. That is all you need to know. Pray and stay with the Eucharist. I have spoken.” Those are very powerful words.
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Indeed David and it the call Christ has made from the beginning: to make a radical change in our lives and actually live as we are to believe with our eyes on a goal that is far above the day-to-day toils or the ideological ends which reside in a fabled earthly utopia. The Muslims will find theirs in the death of all infidels and the European ideal has already devolved into a godless, licentiousness with free stuff for everybody. I wonder how these will work out for everybody. So far, it looks like it is a fast slide to the bottom of hell.
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I feel we may need some of your gun skills here in Europe shortly, so you may like to consider an online course of tuition in how to defend ourselves against the Islamic hordes. The last time I fired an automatic weapon was on the Pirbright army ranges, where I sent off twenty rounds from a Stirling sub-machinegun into the tree tops while falling over backwards under the recoil. We are not ready for the challenge of armed jihadist lunacy, are we?
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We would love to share those skills with you. Unfortunately, it appears that your gun laws prohibit anyone (even police and military) except Jihadis from having firearms (or even effective edged weapons).
The last time we donated weapons to you (1940), your government not only never let you have them but, buried them instead of returning our unused property.
You had that right, England is where we got it. Sadly, once you give away your rights to the government, it is very hard to recover them. I wish you luck and will pray for you as well, but my weapons will stay here, and stay properly maintained
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Wow, youre 83?
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David, please let us know what happened after you got off that freighter. And may God continue to bless you.
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Shortly, I, like Obama, will be watching the football playoffs and will be offline for a bit. So, taking my cue from the president I would like to leave you with the following:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQuAIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fstory%2F2015%2F01%2Fjames-taylor-paris-john-kerry-114316.html&ei=Bv67VLHqOcOUNv2FhJAE&usg=AFQjCNE4uIlFbKparIUGCF9gOpWVQmS2GQ&sig2=yX5HFY_9rbCC0dVb8aEuJQ&bvm=bv.83829542,d.eXY
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Well, whatever happens, I’d like to remain optimistic. On the other hand, if it really is the end of civilisation as we know it, there is one obvious last thing to do before the Apocalypse begins. We need to set up a judge-led enquiry to report to a House of Commons Committee on the End of the World, with the aim of ensuring this kind of thing never happens again.
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We’ll set up a working party, led by a judge, to inquire into the possibility of inquiring into it.
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Take heart. The death of the West will be the most joyous event in memory, for out of its ashes will arise Christian civilization once more.
Secularism, humanism, liberal democracy. These ideals have been as much a curse as Islam has been. I am thoroughly anti-Western, and anti-Modern.
Christians must all come to understand the following as we approach the end of this little farce. Western Modernity HATES you and Islam wants to KILL you. Why would you want to see anything less than both of them burn in the fires they have lit.
Pray God for his guidance and protection. He will not abandon those that follow Him.
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I agree entirely and take the main ponit of your post, Calcedon451, is that Western Christianity has suffered through lacking the spirituality which once animated it…….I wonder if you are referring to the great mystical tradition in the Church which more or less died out with the Enlightenment but now shows signs of revival. What we need is to learn, once again, to pray at all times.
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Yes, I think that is right. We have not enough prayer – though, as you say, there are encouraging signs.
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