For most folk nowadays, the simple parables of the Lord need explaining in two ways: not only what they mean, but actually what activities like scattering the seed and bringing in the sheaves might be; the agricultural metaphors which came so naturally to Jesus do so less easily in our urban society.
We have a meeting of elders tomorrow night to discuss our plans as a church; even churches have to have ‘mission statements’, by which is not meant what it would have meant when I was younger – we go out and preach the word. We have three main ‘headings’: ‘A Church for everyone; a living church; and a faithful church’. I’ve tried calming down and humming, I’ve tried going for a walk, I’ve tried emptying my mind and watching the birdies; but I still feel the urge to throw something out of the window – quite possibly the ‘consultant’ herself. But saying ‘what the blue blazes would you expect from a church is not this?’ is not, I am told, the sort of ‘constructive suggestions’ to be expected of the eldest elder; I daresay it is precisely what my fellow elders expect of me – they’ve enough experience.
So. we’re told we have to be ‘children-friendly’ because they are ‘the future’ and that our homilies should in some way be ‘accessible’ to the ‘kids’. I hate to tell them, but the kids from round here tend to grow up and move to Manchester and Leeds, so, whatever future they’ll be part of, it isn’t likely to be the one here. We must not, we are told, forget the elderly; you know, given the age of the congregation, that’s not likely. We must ‘welcome new people’. Quite how we’re going to get them is never revealed, but then since it nowhere mentions actual preaching the Gospel, that’s not a great surprise. We should, we are told be ‘a vibrant, thriving community of the faithful, livingΒ out our faith in the church and in our day-to-day lives’. Well I never. I thought that was what we were; perhaps I have been asleep? Perhaps I need more sleep – the presentation tomorrow seems an ideal opportunity.
Maybe the deep breaths are working though, because for all my irritation with the management-jargon, I ought to acknowledge the time and effort of the member who gave of both to compile this; she’s a well-paid job in Manchester where she does this for a good deal of money, and she’s done it for us because her family are members of the church. She’s also force even the curmudgeons amongst us to thing about what we can do to bring in fresh folk. We’ve lost half a dozen in the last year, and recruited about the same, so numbers are stable, but I’m not the only one who feels we could be doing more, so this will be an opportunity for us to, prayerfully, explore modern methods of ploughing and scattering the good seed on the land.
It is not, after all, as though there is not a lot of work to be done – though the labourers are fewer than we were, and some of us not as young as we once were. But if we put our efforts in, the Lord will give the harvest.
Don’t you just love to pay for pap provided by twentysomethings that you knew in 1970, and provided with no guidance on how to increase the harvest either.
In my experience, being a consultant is what you do when you got fired for cause, and can’t find another real job. But my curmudgeonliness might be showing there a bit. π
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Welcome aboard – as ever, the curmdueons club convenes π
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I’ve been a member, in good standing, for a fair while. π
i think it has to do with telling the truth, or something like that
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Yes, the truth stuff, not popular any more π
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I wonder though, if it ever was, really. π
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No, but there used to be sense of shame back in the day π
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That is true. π
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Our society seems lost to any sense of shame.
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Well, one wouldn’t want to hurt the feelings of the special snowflakes, after all. What an ugly surprise awaits them on the other side. π
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Yes, they can complain all they like then π
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And will, no doubt. π
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Have you tried balloons, clowns and bright felt banners with banal sayings on them yet? Seems to be the going rage and the preferred method of these ‘professional’ facilitators on such issues.
I’m sure the curmudgeons would welcome the changes. π
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I have thought of lots of rope made into nooses π
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Yes. If you can’t get progressives to use them, it might be a possible out for the rest of you. π
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Yes, double usage perhaps? π
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Indeed. You may want to bring this up in your next meeting as a very frugal way to address the problem. I’m sure you will be a big hit; at least it would be a feather in your cap methinks. π
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I think they’d expect me to. One fellow elder said he was ‘looking forward’ to my contribution! π
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Well, they can’t say you didn’t study the problem and come up with a different solution. I’d give you an A+ for effort; surely nobody would be upset with you for trying? After all it might damage your self-esteem if they deride you for your brilliant idea. π
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Yes, somehow I don’t think they’d swallow that one π
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Do what the Cult of Mary, oops, I mean the catholic church does…..tell little children they will go to hell if the miss a service
“The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that teaching clearly in No. 2181: βThe Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants). Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.β
http://catholicphilly.com/2013/05/think-tank/catholic-spirituality/understanding-the-bible-is-missing-mass-a-mortal-sin/
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The Mass is the central focus of our Faith. The Mass is part of being a Catholic it’s one of the rules you sign up for upon conversion or continuing to be a practicing Catholic. Rules have consequences.
Of course, if you don’t like them you can become an ignorant hateful anti-Catholic St. Bisto.
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I do not hate anything beside cod liver oil. By calling me hateful, I guess it makes me look hysterical.
I do not and never had said members of the catholic church are going to hell.
The catholic church says if im not catholic I will go to hell. So you, good brother David, assume im going to hell. You have to, or you are ex communicated.
Anyone at anytime can become saved.
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No, it males you look like you are… ignorant. Frankly, all have tried to get you let go of your twisted beliefs… if you go to Hell, it’s you choice.
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Bosco says:
“I do not and never had said members of the catholic church are going to hell.”
Bosco DOES call Catholics idolaters and the BIBLE (of which Bosco is quite fond of) says:
“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)
So Bosco DOES implicitly say “Catholics go to Hell!”
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Not to attend Mass, intentionally not to fulfill your obligation, is itself a mortal sin.—-Fr Z
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/09/quaeritur-why-bother-going-to-mass-in-the-state-of-sin-fr-z-rants-with-hellfire-and-brimstone/
Works religion.
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What’s your problem, didn’t you understand what I said above?
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Yes good brother Jeff, do as the Romans do. Pass out literature that says if they don’t attend your church, they will go to hell. Fear always works.Hey, you cant argue with success. Is it true?No, but that doesn’t stop the CC. I don’t suggest you go as far as the CC has in getting converts. Like they did in south America.
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We pass out tracts from the Bible, Bosco, telling folk the Good News – they’re saved if they turn to Jesus. Thought you’d have approved?
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