A communique from Governor:
Pontius Pilate did not condemn Jesus Christ
When Jesus, called by some the Christ, set up his mission a few years back, we were pleased to see him resisting the efforts by anti-Roman zealots to have the governor arrested for ‘anti-Jewish’ activities. But in the last year or so, that mission seems have shifted from something we like to something we don’t; it is all very well to point out the appalling ignorance and hypocrisy of the Jewish zealots, but pointing to some alleged presence of such things within the Roman-approved Sanhedrin, is quite another matter; if there is any dirty laundry (which of course there isn’t – and there will be no further statement on this) to be washed, it is done by us in private; any so-called public right to know runs counter to centuries of tradition.
The Jesus movement is, of course, nothing to do with the Governorship, but the fact that he is still there when we usually shut down critics with an iron grip round the throat, might have given rise in the minds of the terminally stupid to the thought that it is some way approved by me. The fact that Jesus was still alive might have made really thick people (like those who write statements like this?) suppose that I approved of him; so you can see why the Sanhedrin wanted to take action.
Now, I am all in favour of everyone saying whatever they like, as long as it agrees with what I think, and as long as it does not upset those with terminally thin skins who like bullying others, but when someone who is seen around the Temple upsets those who wish to go about the lawful business of changing money there, it is a different matter.
I consulted the late King Herod and his successors, models, of course, of how we Romans think secular folk should behave, and I can see from the way he treated John the Baptist, that there were lessons to be learned from him; all faithful Romans might look to Herod as their example here, as indeed in other matters such as widening the bounds of what ‘marriage’ means.
I had Caiaphas tell Jesus that I hoped he would confine himself to preaching about how good it was to share your cloak with Romans and walk another mile with the, and how much we hoped he would stop dividing people by making ad personam comments about ‘vipers’ and ‘hypocrites’; unfortunately this was not taken on board, and so, as Caiaphas put it, it was better than one man should die for the people; but I must emphasise that this was not my decision; indeed I have eye witnesses to the effect that I washed my hands of it.
I regret deeply that certain so-called ‘Apostles’ have made public the contents of the kangaroo court trial of Jesus; the fact is that Jesus voluntarily surrendered himself to the Sanhedrin and agreed to be crucified. I emphasised in a personal intervention which shows what a good man I am, that if he would only give the answers I wanted to my questions, I had the power to save him, but he just muttered something about his ‘father’ and ‘the truth’; what is that, I asked; after all, a more nuanced approach to these things is now the fashion. The fact that my part in this was misrepresented by the ‘Apostles’ is much to be regretted, and will be when I get my hands on the lying scumbags who have made this public by all men and women of goodwill.
I have recently been told that there is something called Twitter, and I, of course, have my own blog which was once read by Deacon Slope, so I know what I am talking about (is this bit right, or should we tone it down as it makes me sound like a pompous fool – please delete this before published PP). We shold be spreading peace, love and understanding, not banging on about hell-fire, sin and such stuff. I love everyone who agrees with me, as, indeed, does the Roman Empire., and will kill anyone who does not believe me.
signed: Pontius Pilate at Babylon
There will be no more talking about this, no sniggering at the back Molesworth, and anyone saying horrid things will be accused of stirring up apathy.
Luv and stuff Ponty.
[Your excellency, it has been suggested to us that you might want to point out that Jesus’ crucifixion was not only voluntary, but also only temporary]
p.s. can the scriptorium please make sure that this time my personal amendments are adopted and queries deleted. I should like to be associated soon with some eye-catching initiative – could we find this Peter fellow and lock him up for a lack of lurve?
Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
Confirmation bias is so powerful…
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
I can see why you have to resort to that, as of course you don’t have an argument, and were I in your position of trying to defned what is not defensible, I’d attempt to play the man too. Nice try, but fail.
Are you really telling us that you think that the Bishops communique does not inhabit the same mental universe as my satire. The reason this bites you is it is too close to the truth – complex and nuanced, anyone? – for your comfort.
This puts your church is the worst possible light, and the bishop, had he any sense, would have left it all alone. This has got far more traction than the PtP had originally.
I could say that old habits die hard, but won’t – the Sloplan communique speaks for itself.
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Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
You will find a full argument on my blog if you are interested. http://ccfather.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/more-on-protect-pope-saga.html
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
A good set of arguments all of which avoiud the issue of free speech. You proceed from the assumption that it is fine for a bishop to close down a blog because of complaints about a few ad hominemn remarks. I guess if you don’t really believe in free speech you would be puzzled why those of us who do are cross.
If you really don’t see what Joe Shaw is getting at then I suggest you re-read until you do. It is pretty clear – why does Lofty get away with it?
I take your word that Campbell is a decent fellow – but he is behaving like Pilate, and that communique deserves the treatment it is getting. Is he a successor of the Apostles or a middle manager wringing his hands?
He closed it down, and to issue a commuinque washing his hands is pure Pilate. if you cannot see it, take the rose-tinted specs off.
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bruvvereccles said:
Rood and norty, but very funny. One correction: Jesus was only sentenced to a temporary period of crucifixion.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Nice one, Eccles 🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
This seems to have been added in the scriptorium – all they need is a good day to bury bad news.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Ah, ye olde, crucify the orthodox and let Barabbas free routine!
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Yes, that one.
That communique from the diocese begged for this treatment, and I could not resist giving it what it asked for 🙂
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Servus Fidelis said:
Indeed. Please forward to the Diocesan paper for immediate publication. 🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
I was sorry that someone calling himself ‘countercultural father’ showed himself, in his comments, to be so in tune with the culture of this society – perhaps he is counter the culture of your Church?
This is not going away, and I am merely one of many making sure that the RCC here realises that if it tries this again, it is going to get both barrels – these folk usually take the line of least resistance, so let us make it harder to close down the orthodox than to defend free speech 🙂
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Servus Fidelis said:
Ah, I think countercultural father is an alias for Farver Phil who is delighted and quite giddy about the outcome.
They killed the prophets too; so I guess this is an age old problem, isn’t it? 🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
It is – as Bob Marley used to ask ‘How long will they kill our prophets, while we stand by and look’?
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Servus Fidelis said:
Apparently, for a very long time, indeed. If you watched my video link of Michael Voris yesterday there is only a few old geezers that are what we used to call “devout.”
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Yes, I saw that – there are times when I think that we need a good clear out of the time-servers.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Well, if the facts are accurate, there will only be time-servers heading up other time-servers before long; of course, with the expected go-alongers as well. The go-alongers don’t believe in anything but they tend to create good photo-ops. 🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Heaven forfend we should believe in anything.
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Servus Fidelis said:
We do. We believe in showing up, laughing and being quite jolly wherever we go (whilst we persecute those who refrain from aberrant behavior and point it out to others). +Timothy Dolan is our poster-boy.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
– yes, that’s the future – and it’s dead!
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Servus Fidelis said:
Thanks be to God that we have a secret weapon (though it used to not be so secret); the Holy Spirit and the Will of God will see the Church through all this.
I pray that God show His Mercy on those who seem to gag and bind good men from trying to spread the Truth of Christ while they allow the nuns in the bus and the Farver Phil’s and every other type of nut case who freely spread their foolishness without blinking an eye. Hired hands were warned about and I fear there always has been some but it seems we have more than our share in these times.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
In the end orthodoxy will win – we have His assurance.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Amen, we do.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Very true.
I just don’t get this ‘the guy should have shut up and then he’d not have been in trouble line’ – pure appeasment.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Seems to me, the assessment made should be an assessment as to the Catholicity of the blog. If it is wanting then the Bishop has a right to say that he can no longer call it a Catholic blog but a personal opinion blog. Yet, our bishops have not been very good at stopping universities for marketing their sectarian schools as Catholic, apostate theologians as calling themselves Catholic, or the marching, condom throwing far left fringe that is more likely appeased rather than rejected. We have a right to regulate what is Catholicism: but we don’t have a right to curtail speech or dialogue on issues. So I am at a loss as to what this bishop thinks he has fixed.
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NEO said:
You hit, repeatedly, the main point I tried for yesterday. he didn’t give up his rights as an Englishman when he was confirmed in the Catholic Church, or even as a Deacon. As much as SF detests the Modernisers in his church, never have I heard him call for their suppression. Free speech is free speech on both sides, or none. This used to be the price of admission in Britain and the US. If that has changed, our country’s are deeply endangered, because if you can’t talk publicly about the problems, other means tend to come to the fore. The Stuarts come to mind.
Well said, my friend.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Thank you Neo – as I said to Ben T, if you don’t get free speech you don’t, and I guess there are those who don’t – but then I have a duty to explain it to them 🙂
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NEO said:
Indeed, there is far too much “Free speech for me but not for thee” running about these days. 🙂
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Indeed – my line is that we all have equal rights to talk utter cr*p if we want to 🙂 One I frequently exercise).
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NEO said:
Indeed, as do I 🙂 That’s why it is so important.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Yes, we’d be first up agin that wall 🙂 Mind you, I’d die in good company – the best!
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NEO said:
Yep, best company in the world, the people that made it work. 🙂
And you know, it’s one of those things that have become much more important as I got older, when I was young I didn’t realize how rare that right really is, and how much blood and treasure went into making it so.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Yes, and how quickly that legacy is being squandered.
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NEO said:
Very much so.
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St Bosco said:
Good brother Jeff forgets who hes talking to. This is my beloved pure and white catholic church hes jibbering about. The Holy Father is ruler of heaven and earth, no one is allowed to say anything contrary to the church Christ founded. Why, in days gone by i would have your tongue torn out of your head for less than this. Everything the CC does is pure and white and everyone must become catholic or be ananthema. Catholics would never speak evil of their church or leave it. We love the shiney costumes and the pretty graven images and the supression of thought and speech. We simply love it.
Thank you Saint Torquemada
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You are Bosco and you endorse that message.
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bruvvereccles said:
Would it help to pojnt out here that Bosco is saved?
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Bosco is not saved, only Eccles is saved 🙂
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St Bosco said:
i AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL bOSCO, AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
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St Bosco said:
Good turn coat brother Eccles, you dirty rat, what are you doing in here?
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Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
Just listen to yourself: crucifixion, free speech…
What happened, in fact, was that the Bishop was disturbed by the tone of some of Deacon Nick’s posts, and in particular, comments in the combox. He asked Deacon Nick to pause and reflect prayerfully about how to carry on his good work whilst avoiding ad hominem etc. Nick agreed to do so, but then used other social media to announce this; stirring up a huge brouhaha in which the Bishop was accused of shutting the blog down because of its orthodoxy. Both halves of that accusation were incorrect.
Deacon Nick then asked if he could start blogging again, and the bishop (understandably) thought the period of prayerful reflection had not yet achieved its desired outcome and should be continued.
Deacon Nick then decided to say the blog was closed, and announced that the bishop had closed him down.
The brouhaha continued.
To compare that to the sufferings of Our Lord, is, to put it kindly, hyperbole.
To compare Bishop Campbell to Pilate is something rather worse.
And if you want to know why I style myself Countercultural, (and also to verify that I am no apologist for the Catholic Bishops when they behave badly) simply visit my blog.
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NEO said:
In my opinion, Cicero said it first and best,
“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue”
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Spot on – there was a Roman who knew a thing or two – reminds me of our friend SF.
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NEO said:
Does me as well, we keep good company, Geoffrey.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You and he are the best, along with Jess and others here – proud to be part of this.
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NEO said:
As am I. One of the best parts of my life. It pleases me greatly that Jess has the fortitude to let us speak plainly, an exceptional lady, I think.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
She is so. My one doubt about posting as I have was the desire not to ambarrass her, but she said ‘go ahead and say what you like’ – that is ‘free speech’!
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NEO said:
I know, I occasionally hold comments to think about and once in a while have asked if she was OK with it, the answer was always “go ahead”. Free speech, indeed.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
She’s a rare one, that’s for sure 🙂
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NEO said:
She is that 🙂
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Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
Justice: a good principle. So why is the Bishop not deemed innocent until proven guilty? The kangaroo court of twitter and the blogosphere is scarcely interested in such principles: but I am.
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Francis said:
Perhaps because the Bishop shows no signs of having deemed the Deacon innocent until proven guilty?
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NEO said:
Thank you, Francis. I fear I have become very hard-nosed about freedom of speech in the last several years. Far too many attempting to restrict it.
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Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
One major difference is that the Bishop is not calling Nick anything, merely asking him to reflect; but Geoffrey and the twitter commentariat are accusing the Bishop of lying, bullying, restricting free speech, being Pontius Pilate… It is the Bishop’s head for which the mob are baying, not Nick’s.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
I have not called him a liar or a bully – Pilate was neither. What he was was a man who allowed others to do something which he intuited was wrong; perhaps the bishop does not have that intuition. Do you not see you are doing precisely what you accuse others of? I know I am indulging in hyperbole, I fear you think you are not.
I have just read Jessica’s post this morning, and think she’s said the most sensible thing on this I have read – and she’s managed not to call anyone out. We might all learn from her.
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NEO said:
Actually nobody that I know of wants his head (or more accurately) his job, merely for him to vacate the order.
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Carl D'Agostino said:
Hey, wasn’t that my hero, Barry Goldwater.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
I am sure you are aware that it is the nature of satire that it uses hyperbole, so go figure as the kids say.
Read again what you have just written, but this time without the built-in bias towards your own bishop.
The Bish didn’t like the ‘tone’ – didn’t he, well tough luck sunshine, when dd being a bishop make anyone an expert in ‘tone’; I don’t like his tone, as his blog is spiritually dead, but hey, I don’t get to tell him to desist and write something worthy of a successor of the Apostles.
You seem to imply there was something wrong with the Deacon explaining he;d been ask to desist; I guess it is hard for some RC’s to grasp this free speech thing, but for most freeborn Englishmen we don’t find it a problem; if the Bish didn’t want this knowm why not? Was he ashamed of himself, or did he just want to keep his censorship censored?
Read again the passage you wrote about the reflection not having the ‘desired result’. That is newspeak for ‘didn’t come out where the Bish wanted’ – unless, of course, there is only one possible outcome to a period of reflection.
Do you imagine the blog would be closing if not for the bish? This is the worst sort of modenr politician’s answer, and worthy of comparison with Pilate’s waffling. Of course the Bish closed it. If he had the instincts of a free-born Englishman none of this would have happened. He may not like the pile of poo falling on him, but perhsp he will think again next time he asks folk to ‘reflect prayerfully’ and do that first.
I’ve looked in on your blog, which is excellent, and which I enjoyed, and find yself often in agreement. But on this one I do think you are allowing your loyalty to a good bishop to cloud your thinking; but if so, thats not a bad fault in a man, and I may well be finding my thoughts clouded by my own biases.
At any rate, good having a robust exchange with you; let’s hope no one complains to Jessica about my ‘tone’.
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Ben Trovato (@CCFather) said:
I think if Nick had held his peace, and reflected on how to continue his work whilst avoiding the odd occasions on which he’d crossed the line, and worked out how to moderate the loons out of the combox, then his blog would still be doing the undoubted good work it used to do.
Free speech doesn’t mean one has to host detraction and calumny on one’s site (though, as it happens, I have just approved one comment that falls neatly in the category, by way of illustration).
Oddly, I am not known for loyalty to bishops (can’t imagine why not…), so I am not convinced that I am as biased as you think. Rather, it seems to me the bias is the other way: the blogosphere stirred into a populist frenzy by ill-informed and inaccurate reporting.
I could be wrong, of course and am always open to that possibility. But I have noticed more and more people who were originally outraged at the Bishop’s highhandedness backtracking as they reflect on what actually happened, as opposed to the rhetoric about what people feared (or in some cases hoped) might have happened.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Fair points, although again, another way of reading what you have written would be that Nick should have kept schtum and played along for a while, saying nothing. It may be the aboriginal Baptist in me, but that sounds a Jesuitical way of proceeding rather than that of a freeborn Englishman.
You know, I do think Jess’ example here is right, free speech does mean inlcuding opinions highly critical of yourself. If there is real libel, fine, exclude it, but I don’t like that word ‘calumny’ – it is a thin end of nasty wedge. One reason I admiore Jessica here is she allows folk to be highly critical of her and her church – and answers back – can’t your bish manage that?
I think he’s been the victim of poor judgment, and wither Deacon Nick has been very naughty, or he’s been poorly managed. Sounds like the last to me.
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St Bosco said:
Yes, the period of prayerful reflection wasnt over. You see, that settles it. We catholics have everything under control.
Thank you Cardinal Law. We even took care of that turncoat Corapi. How dare he like girls. Our priests arent supposed to like girls. If one of our little Christ priests just has to have a girl, he can grab an alter boy whos voice hasnt changed yet.
Thank you Cardinal Mahoney.
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bruvvereccles said:
Bosco is very good at prayerful reflection. He admires himself in the mirror all day long and thanks God for being so wonderful.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Would that be through the broken shards?
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St Bosco said:
I figured it out. Eccles, you are that worthless good for nothing Lapin. Ha
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Bosco – get a hearing aid. Two tones of voice more different that that of eccles and lapin you couldn’t hope to find.
There’s folk here think you are quia!
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bruvvereccles said:
Thanks, Geoffrey. Must go and feed the donkeys now. Oops.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
🙂
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St Bosco said:
It is a privaledge to be thought of as good brother Quiav. He is a champian of catholicism and a great theologian. Santo Subito!!!! QUIAV !!!!
Good brother Quiav is what it means to be catholic.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You are quia and I claim my £5 (this only works as a funny in English English, perhaps?
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njb4725 said:
I’m afraid to say my friend Q is sans internet for a while. But he will return eventually.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Sorry to hear that, as I am sure he’s got strong views on this – if you get a chance, give him my best.
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St Bosco said:
Give saint Quiav my best too.
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njb4725 said:
Yes, I’m actually thinking of visiting him in the not too distant future. His wife is a Yorkshire lass, which should please you, friend.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Lucky fellow, none better 🙂
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St Bosco said:
Nuthin beats california girls. These rusty crusty british girls arent even close.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Barbie dolls, Bosco 🙂
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St Bosco said:
Yeah baby cakes…Barbie dolls. You got it! i like the Barbie olls with a bit more meat on their bones though
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St Bosco said:
The Mid-West farmer’s daughters really make you feel alright
And the Northern girls with the way they kiss
They keep their boyfriends warm at night
I wish they all could be Californian
I wish they all could be Californian
I wish they all could be Californian girls
The West coast has the sunshine
And the girls all get so tanned
I dig a french bikini on Hawaii island
Dolls by a palm tree in the sand
I been all around this great big world
And I seen all kinds of girls
Yeah, but I couldn’t wait to get back in the states
Back to the cutest girls in the world
I wish they all could be Californian girls
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NEO said:
You need to try those Northern girls, Bosco, the Beach Boys knew what they were talking about there. It’s that Scandinavian blood that does it. That’s part of what make the English girls so special too, no experience with Yorkshire lasses, so I’ll defer on that one but should hold there as well. 🙂
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St Bosco said:
Fear of scandal prompted the cover-up of child sex abuse allegations within the Catholic Church, Australia’s top-ranking Cardinal George Pell admitted Monday.
Pell, speaking at an inquiry by Victoria’s parliament into child sex abuse in the state, denied being personally involved in the cover-up of paedophile priests, but said it was clear it happened.
“The primary motivation would have been to respect the reputation of the church,” he told the inquiry into the abuse of children by religious and non-government bodies.
“There was a fear of scandal.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/27/cardinal-george-pell-abuse-cover-up_n_3341302.html
Of course, we must protect the church at all costs.We here at Cavpa (catholics against victimes of priest abuse) are doing all we can to discredit those supposed victims of our pure and whaite priests which are little Christs. So donate today all you can. Your money will provide first class passage on the finest airliners and first class hotel rooms for our priests on the Go, as it is , until they settle into their new parish, where they arent known. We thank catholics everywhere for their generous support.
Thank you Cardinal Law.
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St Bosco said:
VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Friday publicly backed his new economy czar, who is overhauling the Vatican’s administration amid grumblings from some Holy See bureaucrats about a perceived abrasive and secretive style.
Francis acknowledged Cardinal George Pell’s “tenacity” in calling the imposing Australian the Vatican’s resident “rugby player.” Francis echoed Pell’s call for a new way of doing business at the Vatican in urging Holy See employees to embrace a “new mentality of evangelical service.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2014/05/02/pope-backs-his-new-vatican-economy-czar
Good brother Bergoglio must have been impressed at the way good brother Pell hid all those pedophile priests for so long. Heck, hes a pedophile too, otherwise, he wouldnt be a catholic priest. Our priests need to feed on the flesh of our young. We catholics need to keep our priests satiated so they can call god down from heaven for our amusment. Oh thank you Mary for protecting our priests and thank you Mary for that wonderful org CAPVA
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St Bosco said:
Francis was elected pope on a mandate to reform the antiquated Vatican bureaucracy, or Curia, and make it more responsive to the needs of the 21st-century Catholic Church. He created Pell’s new Secretariat of the Economy in February in the biggest Vatican reform in a quarter-century….ibid
The Vaticn needs to improve its methods of savaging little boys without being caught by this new ever present media. Our priests need the flesh of the little ones to survive, and we cathols will provide it. Thank you Mary
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bruvvereccles said:
Did you forget to take your meddicatoin agane, my dere bruvver Bosco?
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JessicaHof said:
He will have to go onto the naughty step again.
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St Bosco said:
Aye Lapin, youre smell ike those donkeys you wallow around with. Peeeuuuuu
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Carl D'Agostino said:
ST BOSCO “Francis was elected pope on a mandate…”
I feel this is obviously true. So why do some Catholic Commenters here insist Uncle Frank is a heretic pope? That he eschews orthodoxy and tradition? If the cardinals installed him it seems the church wants to go in new directions and feel Frankie Boy is the man to do it.
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Frere Rabit said:
Bosco is not a bag of frozen hot cross buns, only I is a a bag of frozen hot cross buns.
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bruvvereccles said:
I’ve found a nice Yorkshire girl for him.
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St Bosco said:
I knew it. Both you Bozos are one in the same..Haha, i gotcha red handed. You can fool all the people some of the time.
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St Bosco said:
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608032352650987468&pid=15.1&H=112&W=
You sick little monkey Eccles.
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St Bosco said:
VATICAN CITY (AP) — Members of Pope Francis’ sexual abuse advisory board said Saturday they will develop “clear and effective” protocols to hold bishops and other church authorities accountable if they fail to report suspected abuse or protect children from pedophile priests.
Victims groups have long blasted the Vatican for refusing to sanction any bishop or superior who covered up for priests who raped and molested children.
Protestants are so funny. They think we will turn in one of our little christs. Hahahahahahahaha.
Two men rob a bank
One robber turns to the other and calls him a dirty lousy bank robber.
All our wonderful priests are doin something shady. You seriously think one is going to turn another one in? Come on you stupid protestants, we catholics stick togeather. And remember, April is our annual CAVPA fundraiser drive.
Thank you Mary for getting cardinal Law out of Boston and into a cushy job at the vatican, befor those lousy victims had him arrested.
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St Bosco said:
“The Holy See also proposes important teaching with regard to matters of torture and cruel and inhuman treatment, which is of great importance for the diffusion of the principles inspiring the Convention and for its implementation,” said Fr. Federico Lombardi, head of the Holy See Press Office, May 2, referring to the U.N. Convention against Torture.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/holy-see-warns-against-ideological-agenda-in-un-torture-hearing/
The catholic church was invited to the conference because of its great knowledge of torture. My beloved religion has to keep these heretic protestants in line somehow. Thank you Mary
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