Here in Yorkshire we’ve a word – ‘blether’ – for arguments which as so obviously barmy that only the person making them can think they sound anything other than plain odd. Now, as an old-time Baptist, I’m not expected top be a fan of Pope Frank, and as it happens, not for that reason, I’m not. But when I hear someone calling himself a Catholic telling me the Pope is a heretic and that he can’t be the Pope, and that if the rest of the Catholic Church thinks he is, they’re wrong, and only the person saying he isn’t (and those who agree with him) are right, then I know I’m in its presence. Those who dislike the Catholic Church will be delighted, and over the moon itself we others to take this view; the Catholic Church could collapse into sects accusing each other of heresy and we could have half a dozen self-styled ‘popes’ all citing Paul IV as the reason for saying that they are right and the other lot are barmy. I”d have thought Bosco might even do whatever the Calvary Chapel equivalent of lighting candle might be (throwing cement doves?). Each of the little ‘churches’ could claim to be ‘the’ church, and indeed, the smaller they were, the fewer members they had, the ‘purer’ they’d be, and so everyone else could fall about laughing at a bunch of men (and why are most of these people men? because women have far too much commonsense to lend themselves to such blether) dressing up in dagon fish hats of various sorts hurling anathemata at each other. How edifying, that was surely what Jesus came to earth to achieve.
And what’s all this stuff about worshipping with Jews? If the Catholic Church really says it is heresy to work with Jews, then Jesus and all the Apostles were heretics, and we are, again, through that looking-glass. If some Catholics can’t get over centuries of anti-semitism, then shame on them/
Fortunately, with the exception of a few nutcases, no one gives a fig for such antics, and the Catholic Church will get on with its mission. The Catholic Church, of course, being the things we all know and see on the high street and in the news – not Pope Michael in California, or Pope Joe is wherever. but the man elected by the Cardinals. Ah, but, we are told, they too are apostate. So who isn’t? What’s that, you say you aren’t? Oh well, that’s fine then – nearly a billion people are wrong; if must be like the old joke about flies: ‘eat cow pats, millions of flies can’t be wrong’. That clever men can spout such stuff and not see that to the rest of us they are a laughing-stock is one of the marvels of the solipsism of human nature. Everyone’s out of step save me; of course – have you thought to visiting your doctor?
So, on one side we have the blether that the fellow everyone says is the Pope isn’t, and on the other we have Bosco proclaiming we must knock on the door, but having no answer to the question: ‘what do we do if we get not answer’. Again, common sense suggests that there are as many ways of jesus talking to us as there are people, but no, the blether-mongers insist they, and they alone, know what is right – and if that means everyone else goes to hell, so be it.
So, here’s the commonality, the bletherer claims that they have some insight denied to the rest of is. The early Church called in Gnosticism, and so do I. Bosco and QVO are Gnostics, and I know, because the Spirit told me so, and I, and I alone, having become a Gnostic myself, have a unique insight.
Now, I’m off to the doctors to get in queue behind Bosco and QC. In the meantime, can we get back to normal round here, because I can speak only for me, but really, it is getting tedious. I admire Chalcedon’s patience, and that of my friend Servus Fidelis – but even thy must feel that they’ve done their best with the Gnostic fringe?
I only wish C and I could have done better. In the end, it doesn’t seem to have made much difference, alas. 🙂
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Recently I heard a saying that rings true in this situation, “Everybody but you and me are heretics and I ain’t too sure about you”. Today there are some scary things coming down the pike, and there are folks that get to a level a fear where they have lost all faith, and are too proud to admit it. The Church has withstood the attacks of our enemy , yet the unfortunate reality is that there have been casualties and the battle is still being fought, it is times like this when prayer is so important. Thank you for your patience.
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Love that picture. Mormon church, Jehovas, catholic church….these are cruel jokes on humanity.
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How is your statement helping deliver the Gospel Bosco???
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I take it youre catholic good brother Iri. How does following a man i a big shiney costume and bowing befor graven images further the gospel?
If you had your way, everyone would be a idolatrous Papist.
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You ain’t reading what I have replied to you, or my other comments for that matter, you can click on my icon and find out a whole lot. I ain’t under Rome yet I respect their beliefs and if you would read what is sent your way then maybe you would learn. Praying for ya.
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Maybe i got you wrong. Sorry. When big post come along the previous ones get bumbed off my radar. so i miss alot of comments. Sorry if i hit you the wrong way my brother.
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Ain’t a problem Bosco, although I would suggest that you take into consideration John 10:16 I always do when talking to others.
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Ok, i clicked your avatat. So, youre orthodox. Its the same thing as the Roman variety. The good news is… Jesus will take you as you are. He took me. He will take anybody
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Bosco – try not to blether, there’s a good man. You proibably think a rhino is the same as a hippo because they are both grey.
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LQL Your assumptions are really amazing Bosco, there are folks on both sides of the schism that would be very offended by what you said, although I ain’t one of them. You have a mistaken belief that all that are not of your view of Christ need to do as you. Did ya read John 10:16. How about John 13:35 ??? I follow where my Lord Savior and King Jesus Christ has lead me and obey His commandments to the best of my feeble abilities, and it makes it hard when others who claim they are believers of Jesus tell me that where He leads me is really wrong and of the devil. I don’t call your faith and the path you walk into question, I do not judge you, I just do as all brothers should do, just as Jesus did, give my feeble voice to the Truth, warn folks when they are stepping from the path towards God’s eternal love and doing the work of the evil one. Praying for ya, Bosco. There is but one Church Bosco, and when those who have lost their faith realize that Roman, Orthodox and the 30,000 other different parts of His Church are not as separated as the evil one wants us to believe then we will be able to take the fight to our true enemy. Ephesians 6:12
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14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
John Chapter 10: Jesus, the Good Shepherd
Jesus, the Good Shepherd
John Chapter 10 : 7
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Great quote. DSo you even know what it means? First, the NT isnt for the unsaved. Its closed to them. Hes talking to his 12 men, not to passerbys. Othe rsheep besides the ones they see will be brought in. They will be brought to the living Christ, not a dead religion. Plus the sheep know him, as he says.The religious say that they know him too. They see him every week,. Hes that cracker we stare at. It just sits there in its golden cage, doesnt do much. Cant talk, cant walk. But the man in the costume and Dagon Fish says thats good enough.
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you really do not see how you are contradicting yourself, you just made a statement that seems like it confirms Apostolic succession. The Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and other Protestant believe this same thing, yet they celebrate the Eucharist also, and believe that it is His precious Body and Blood that they partake of, that what you are denouncing. So what is your interpretation of John 6:53???
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These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray
Flesh profits nothing,(except to idolatous catholics).
His Words are spirit and life.
His Word are his body. Eat his body is to believe every Word he says.
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Well, if you read it literally, why did he bother being Incarnated? If he knew who wpuld be saved, why bother with all that messy being crucified business? Sometimes you make little sense, and sometimes none.
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He is the Word and his words tell me to obey those placed in authority over me, consider Matthew 5:17-20.
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Er eh, good brother Jeff, those are Jesus words, not mine. Ill relay the message to the Good Shepherd that you think he makes little sense.
Attention; He how claims to be born again denies the very words of Christ.
No biggie. Jesus will take you as you are.
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No Bosco, those are the words in Scripture that you then put a personal translation to. From what I have seen from your comments you hold on to some beliefs about The Church that are contrary to the teachings in Scripture concerning the Church (please note I did not accuse you of heresy or blasphemy as other Catholics and Orthodox would). Some of these things you claim ain’t in Scripture, and have been successfully refuted by those more knowledgeable in theology than you and me. There are some issues that need to be worked out between the different factions of the Church and you are hindering that by the accusations that you make against those factions that are not of your personal belief. I do not see humility or love in your comments, I see pride, gossip mongering, and lies. These ain’t good things Bosco, yet we are all sinners and need to be reminded that sometimes in our zeal to proclaim the Gospel that sometimes we are not doing it as Christ would do it. Christ should be our guide, and you have said that, just in a different way.
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And the answer to my question would be?
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Ok good brother Iri, im all ears. Point out something i said that is unscriptural. You just made a blanket statement.Even when i just cut and paste from the bible, im told im wrong. This is the hallmark of the unsaved. They have no idea what the bible is saying. Because it speaks of someone they dont know and are at war with…Christ.
I stand behind what i say.
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When you have quoted Scripture (cut/paste) Scripture ain’t wrong, yet YOU have denied that the Eucharist is the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ, and I have pointed out in Scripture where that ain’t what He said. you have also made comments that are blanket statements against the clergy of the Roman Catholic, claiming that they are all homosexuals and pedophiles, which ain’t in Scripture and is wrong.
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Good brother Jeff, the answer to your question as to why did Christ bother to die for us when he already knows who will be saved? Because blood had to be shed in order to get these few saved people into heaven. God knows the end. Someone reminded me of that. he said the saved are with god in heaven now. How do you like that? But god isnt talking. Hes not saying who isnt going to be saved. We dont know when we are going to die. He does. And hes not talking. There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. Thas why He came, even knowing who will be saved.
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Sounding more and more cult like Bosco.
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I anyone asks to be born again and nothing happens….Wait.
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Bosco how are judging that nothing happens are you assessing this by frail human feelings rather than faith in God’s word – “Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” – it does not say you have to ‘feel’ a certain way in order to know anything has taken place!
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Bosco’s all feeling – he’s from Californ -iya 🙂
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When one is born again they know it. The unsaved can make fun of it all they want. They can and they do. The road to salvation is narrow and few be thereon.
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As every cult I’ve ever come across proclaims. All this proves os that members of cults are easily brain-washed.
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Well good brother, cults will be here till the Master comes again. What is one to do?
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Follow Jesus – as millions upon millions have. It is when you seem nothing like Jesus and His Spirit that others doubt you, Bosco.
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Good brother Jeff, what you should say is….Bosco doesnt seem to be like their religious pictures of Jesus. How do these people who dont know Jesus say that i dont act like him? They dont know Jesus from Adam. Sorry if i take a hard line.
Tell me, what do you think of god for creating a lake of fire to burn people in forever? You think im so freakin bad. Yeah, so what about god? I didnt create the lake. You got some choice names for god for making a lake of fire? Im warning people about false religions. Im asking people to seek Christ while he may be found. Im not going to stop because it bothers some folks. What are they gonna say when they wake up in hell? They cant say i didnt warn them. But they can say that good brother jeff told them everything was fine and dandy.
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What I think, Bosco, is that St John is using language metaphorically. You are welcome to your psychopathic God who creates people who he know will not be saved and will burn for eternity in a fire of hell
My God is using St John to describe how those who reject Him will feel when they find themselves separated from Him. We all have the choice to come to Him – none are rejected save those who reject themselves.
Your God sounds like a maniac. Do you really believe He creates people for the sole purpose of tirturing them for ever???
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Bosco, it has been said that when Christ returns, that He will pour His undiluted Love on us, for those willing to receive this Love it will be Heaven, for those who refuse it will be hell.
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I’m happy enough to substitute the word ‘worship’; that Jesus fellow used to do it regularly; clearly a major public heretic. As for those dratted Apostles, they were at it all the time too. If you’re not careful you’ll end up with Bosco, starting your church from some place other than Jesus; good luck with it.
I’ve no idea what a church mad enough to do some of the stuff your church does would consider public heresy, but no, I don’t consider worshipping with Jew and Protestants heresy, any more than agree with those barmy Baptists who think you are part of Babylon; you are all barmy and dserve nothing more than to spent eternity knowing it.
I see nothin more in this blether than little boyus argiung over phylacteries – it is about as far away from Jesus as you could get. You won’t convert one soul and will repel many – I’d not want to be in that situation on Judgment day.
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The woman at the well…..she didnt convert anybody. She told them to come and met the Lord. He ddoes the converting of the spirit.
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Which misses my point, Bosco, which is that Jesus didn’t go round screaming ‘public heretic’ at anyone.
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What in the world is a public heretic? Must be some catholic term.
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Seems to be.
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As I am a Baptist, I don’t consider worshipping with myself heresy. I can’t see any slander – save the libels you commit with regard to members of your own church.
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“No biggie. Jesus will take you as you are”, that is not what the bible says, and that is not what Jesus says – Bosco, not even close. Amazing.
We (the Catholic Church) in Medieval times and later, would make it a requirement that the Jews in Prague listen to a short Homily on Saturday, The Jews would go and the Jews would push the needed wax a little deeper in their ears.
At the same time when Kafka father failed in business, the Church of Our Lady of Tym, gave the family an apartment attached to the church and provided food/support. It was not all black and white.
“No biggie. Jesus will take you as you are.” unbelievable….
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