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I am unable to trace any passage in the Acts of the Apostles which supports the line that the work of the Evangelist involves claiming that one is saved oneself and that unless others ‘get saved’ they are damned. Indeed, the method adopted by the Apostles appears to have been one of mutual support and encouragement. I can find, in Acts, no record of individuals operating on the basis Bosco operates. Christians are members of a community, and they work together to help each other, each using their different gifts for the common good.
I am not involved in active mission work, neither am I a priest, but when I find two people here who are saying the same thing, and when I find them coming from different parts of the Christian spectrum, I am aware of an authentic Christian voice.
Fr Aidan Kimmel, a man whose life and work command respect, wrote to Jess in the comments section thus:
[Bosco] Your words speak for themselves and they reveal the spirit animating your soul. I will pray for you this afternoon.
My question for Jessica: Bosco is not just advancing a different theology, about which Christians may argue. He is engaging in a kind of rhetoric that is destructive to souls and the mission of the gospel. Is this appropriate for this blog? What are the limits? What of those inquirers who stumble upon your blog and discover Bosco’s “prophetic” rantings? Will they be led to Christ? I for one do not find Bosco’s postings amusing or acceptable–and I’m a pretty tolerant fellow.
Our own Rob, an active Evangelist all his life has also commented directly to Bosco:
Bosco wrote: “I’m the only one in here telling people to seek Christ while he may be found. Ban me if you will.”
That is not true Bosco
And again: “The servant is not above his master. If they hate him, they will hate me.”
I certainly do not hate you and I do not think any on this site do.
Your error is that you think you can perfectly discern the hearts of everyone here and determine who is and who is not saved or born again. You determination is that none others are but yourself.
You consider if anyone holds beliefs or exhibits actions which you know are wrong or evil (or think you know) then they cannot be born again. You think the same of any others here who do not practice the things you abhor but who claim or suggest that those who do are nevertheless ‘born again’.
It is clear we do not agree on this site and given the extent of our disagreement then logically some are definitely in error and possibly all of us are in error to some extent.
You set yourself up as God defining the limits of His grace and mercy as others have told you this is beyond your pay grade or competence and meddling outside your remit can damage those unstable in their faith – please consider.
I know that Jessica was distressed at the effect which Bosco’s rhetoric had on one of our newer and younger posters, for reasons which Fr Aidan and Rob both put powerfully. This is not, they are saying, how Christians behave to each other. Other Christians are not Amalekites to be smitten hip and thigh. It is a tribute to the posters here that they have not turned on Bosco in the way he does on others. That is because, however cross they are, they are animated by the love of Christ. However much in error on points of doctrine and dogma some of us are bound to be, we are united in the love of Christ and love for our fellow Christians.
I hope Bosco will read this. I see he has not commented much on Jessica’s moving post yesterday. He might like to consider what spirit animated that, and what spirit animated Jessica’s exchanges in the comments section with our new commentator. He might, if he can divine it, with profit to his soul and to that of others, seek to imitate it.
Perhaps in light of what has recently occurred, Jess might ought to reevaluate her policy which has not had the result that she intended: to allow Bosco to dialogue with others. Sadly, it has not worked and Fr. Aidan Kimmel’s question might ought to set us all thinking since this has not turned out as Jess had hoped. I for one detest the fact that great harm has been done to one of our younger and newer contributors. That is 1 too many in my mind.
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I know Jessica is praying on this topic. She will make up her mind soon.
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A wise course. Whatever she decides will be fine and will not affect most of us as we are old battle scarred versions. And I am also sure that the type of people on this site will not stop storming heaven with prayers for the Bosco’s of this world.
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I am sure that is correct. I am baffled by Bosco. If he can quote us examples from Scripture of the Apostles or early Christians behaving as he does, I’d be more impressed by his claims to found himself on the Bible.
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It is where a good Ignatian examination of spirits (as to whether they are good or bad) comes into play. By every evaluation I have made to date, I see the spirit leading him to be in the bad category. I therefore refuse to let his words have any affect on me – though for the young and the inexperienced which might visit – this spirit may have more importance than it does for us.
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I see Jess is engaging with him on her post. I wish her luck.
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I’ll take a look. I wish her luck as well.
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I sense a ground swell to have me banned. Well, do it, and stop jabbering about it. Then you can roll around with your gold cups and costume holymen in peace.
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Bosco, this is for Jessica and for her alone. If you had any idea of the spiritual life, you would not make such comments. You do, and some of us feel sorry for you.
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You can ban me all you want, but the Word i gave will stay. ive run the race. I can die knowing that i spread the good news. Gods words dont come back in vain, but accomplish what they were intended to do. I offer no books by men , nor do i recommend religions. I tell of the good news. Christ has risen and is alive. Now be a good catholic and ban me.
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No, Bosco, read what Carl has written in his comment just now on Neo’s post today. That is the testimony of a Christian.
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Bosco – Carl has just commented:
Ephesians 4:31-32
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Why do such passages never appear in what you write? Have you not read them?
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My good sister Jess, i always make it plain that the NT is not for the unsaved to understand. But i will waste my time for you good sister, because i love you.
Good brother Paul was speaking to the born again, not to the general public. The saved gathered together and sometimes would bicker and stuff like that. And some would involve the judicial system. Good brother Paul told them not to go befor the unbelievers to settle disputes. I dont bring up these things in here, because none are in the camp of the saved. Its useless to tell people here those things. I tell people to get saved. Then we can discuss the NT.
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And what do you tell them when they call and no one answers?
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My god and savior, why havent you answered good sister Jess invitation?
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Jess is of the opinion, as is Rob, that he did. Did you read Rob’s post yesterday?
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I skim thru good brother Robs post when they are too long and long winded. When they are short i read them. He must like the sound of his voice. But the good news is… he can ask Jesus to come in, and meet him and know him.
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If you read, you will find he has.
So, you say you have and you are saved. He says he had and he is saved. He does not say you are not saved, you say he is. Which, I wonder looks more like Christ’s reaction?
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You hit on my major concern here, SF. Most of Jess’ regulars and contributors are quite secure in their faith and it may be worth our while to work on Bosco, and try to help him. But I, like you, am concerned that he spreads damage amongst the younger and less confident amongst us.
From what she tells me, Jess shares our concern, and I have learned to trust her completely, and so while I say my piece, I am completely willing to leave it her most capable hands.
And besides, I don’t know what to do 🙂
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I know Jess is extremely concerned. She does not want to ban anyone, but the thought of anyone being caused spiritual harm because of her blog is really causing her distress.
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I know as well, and it is a mark of her greatness of spirit that she has held back this long I think. I know I couldn’t have, but she is far greater than me.
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I agree Neo. It is also a mark of her character that she is aware that it might be necessary to change course.
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I agree with that also, C.
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I just constantly keep in mind that forgiveness and justice are two different aspects and that both must be dealt with. To me there should be consequence to hurtful actions. I like you, NEO will abide with Jess’s decision as she is a very level headed, kind and merciful soul. Wherever her prayer leads her will be the direction we shall follow. 🙂
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Nothing to argue with you on that one, as I just said to C, she has far better judgement in these areas than I do. 🙂
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She’ll make a good decision, I’m sure.
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She always has, with God’s help, I think
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Very much so.
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Im not aware of any young new contributor. I pray the holy ghost will give good sister Jess a new spirit. She wants it to happen to her. So it is written, so shall it be done.
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Very typical of those that engage in the art of being a troll, you are totally unaware of the damage your thoughtless, bigoted comments create. I know your type, you present your point stubbornly and refuse to allow the wisdom of the Spirit to enter into your heart. Most wisely ignore you, yet I feel to let your errors to go by without comment leads to harm. I waste my time trying to get you to see how you are hurting those that are in dire need of encouragement, not your unfeeling approach that is riddled with the stench of the evil one. I pray for folks like you Bosco, I pray that you will finally realize the harm you are doing and repent.
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Well, good brother iri, are you suggesting i stop telling people to call on the name of the Lord? Lets do this. Why dont you take one of my bigoted statements and lets take a look at it. You need to specify why of my comments you dont areaa with. Its like spanking a cat. The cat doesnt know why you are spanking it. Thanks in advance.
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Newrnglandsun is, had you taken the care to read his site, a young man.
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Oh gosh. Did i offend him? Oh the pain. The pain.
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You did. And to mock the pain of others is not of God.
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I an all for banning him. If he is to be saved, someone will lead him to Christ.
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Again, this is for Jess to decide.
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i didnt go to his site. I didnt know he had a site till recently. I wouldnt go to his site anyway.I waste enough time playing chess.
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When good sister gets saved, she will be like me. She will think and talk like me. You idolaters will have a tough time of it. She wont ban you but you all might abandon ship, like rats.
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No good Sister Jess is saved and has more than demonstrated her acquisition of the gift of patience in dealing with you. Your harangues against those that believe in the traditional practices of the Church does not seem to me to be of the Holy Spirit, it seems to me that it comes from the enemy of the Church.
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those that believe in the traditional practices of the Church
You mean like bowing befor graven images and repeating prayer and calling men Father?
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Bosco, Icons are far from graven images, there have been miracles proven to have happened in association with Icons. Icons are the prayerful labors of the faithful, not some hidden idol worship, the spiritually wise recognize this and respect it. Veneration of Mary is acknowledging the great gift God gave through her, that of our Lord, Savior and King Jesus Christ. Your baseless and unfounded accusations are not right and do more harm than good. I pray that you have a true revelation instead of continuing to spread the lies of the evil one.
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Bosco is a one-trick pony. I have never been able to divine if this is because his mind is so narrow that the small anti-Catholic thing is enough to fill it, ir because he is genuinely ignorant.
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No, he means those who turn the other cheek, love their neighbour and seek to be one – all those things Jesus said which you always ignore.
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Good brother iri, i tell people to invite Christ into their life. Im sorry if that infuriates you. hey, why dont you invite him into your life? Whats the worst that can happen?
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Asking folks to invite Christ into their life ain’t what I am upset about, saying bad things about Catholic and Orthodox Christians is what is getting me upset, especially when the things that you are saying are out right lies, lies that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be lies. Lies hurt people, even well intentioned lies when they are revealed to be lies, that is why we as Christians should not engage in lies.
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we as Christians
Catholics arent christians. They are catholics.
One doesnt have to bend over backwards to prove a lie is a lie. Tell me, are you all busted up when i blast TV evengelists as homosexual drug user womanizers?
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No, Bosco, because we are Christians not Pharisees.
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When you acquire the Spirit of Christ, you will be ashamed of yourself. Until then, you will simply vcarry on making a spectacle of yourself.
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I actually like you Rabit. Even though i made fun of you. I believe i told you that you reminded me of my uncle Bert. He raced cars and was a doctor. He even looked a little like you. He didnt smoke or drink. If you have noticed, my song and dance hasnt changed. I hope and pray that you ask jesus into your life. You are such a wonderful person.
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Bosco, as one of those who used to challenge you on the Damian Thompson blog until you finally lost interest and disappeared when we called your bluff too many times, let me remind you of the pattern you are repeating here.
A great many people have given you – in all charity – a space to declare your particular religious cult and justify it. When challenged on your entirely unscriptural assertions, your only defence is to throw a wobbly and insult the very people who have given you the platform to air your unorthodox views.
There is a part of you, we always recognised it, that can be amusing, ironic, even self-deprecating at times. It is such a shame that you are overcome and defeated by that part of you that is so disrespectful of others. It is surely a sign that you are wrong when you sneer at the voice of Christian Tradition, apostolic continuity, and the eternal voice of Truth that is in Christ. But you cannot see it.
It seems once again you have run out of road and overstayed your welcome. The cycle has repeated itself. You need to reflect, brother. My prayers for you.
Frere Rabit
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PS… i didnt like it when Mickey tried to hurt you with images of donkeys.
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PS… i busted up laughing every time i saw your avatars of Mickey Mouse
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Good brother Chalcedon, when you get up from off your knees befor Tammuz, i mean Mary, tell me i pray, what will i do different if i acquire the holy spirit? Will i stare at golden trinkets? Will i subject myself to homosexuals in fish hats? What will i do?
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You will acquire the spirit of love and be more like Christ and less like the Father of lies. Not a bad start Bosco, and a transformation to be wished for.
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Good brother Chalcedon, quiet as its kept, ive grown to love you as a brother.
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Bosco, we all know you are a child of God, and it may be that you are sent to try that in us. If so, it is working.
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What do brothers do? They fight and argue.
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What does Christ tell us to do Bosco? Listen to him and follow his advice.
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Thank you good brother. Best advise ive gotten in yrs. Glad you brought it up. Lets review what Christ advised us to do, shall we?
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking
“You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments.” (Exodus 20:4-6 RSV)
Well i have taken His advise on these matters.
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And have you here:
Ephesians 4:31-32
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
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Or here?
1 Corinthians 2:1-16
And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
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For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
My good brother, that goes against everything your beloved religion stands for. Youve got a catechism thicker than the New York telephone book. Your religion makes its young devotees take a class and then take a test in order to be confirmed by Beelzebub , i mean god. This doesnt sound like the simple message of Christ and him crucified. Anyway, once youre born again, we can talk of the NT. In convinced you will be. You are so beloved of Christ.
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Listen to what Paul says, Bosco, and do thou likewise.
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Cursed is any man who makes any graven image or molten image it is an abomination to the Lord” (Lev. 26:1, Deut.27:15).
Ps 135:15-18 The idols of the nations are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but they do not speak; eyes they have, but they do not see; They have ears, but they do not hear; nor is there any breath in their mouths. Those who make them are like them; so is everyone who trusts in them.”
Here is what good brother Paul says……1 Cor. 12:1-2: “ I do not wish you to be ignorant …somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to dumb idols.”
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So, any man who makes a sculpture is cursed? Or does this mean any one who worships one is cursed? Which, Bosco?
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Come on good brother. Not the picture of Mom excuse. Well, the good news is…once youre born again, all will be fine.
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Paul’s way seems unlike your own one Bosco.
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I have no dog in this fight but my instinct is not to ban, even a provocateur like Bosco. This may be my libertarian leanings, which may seem strange coming from a Catholic but on the one hand we have Christ saying forgive him 70×70 times and St. Mathew 18:17 saying “And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
Now just before Christmas some little ray of sunshine was having a poke at me, calling me a liar and a plagiarist and what not, and old Bosco was on the side line throwing fuel on the flames of sonny Jim’s red hot indignation. We don’t hate those that provoke us, however tempting it is, and it is at times, if we did then how are we different from the rest of the world, (I’m sure you recognise the theme). So ignore him if you can, correct him if you can’t, but in all things charity.
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The unsaved are blind to the Words of god. Sorry, but thats how it is. When and if you get saved, lets talk about scripture.
Jesus was talking to his followers when he said that. Not to passers by. You follow the costume pretender to the throne of God. A substitute for Christ….another Christ. His words are foreign to you. You read them but you cant see them. The NT is a letter for the born again. Not the costume holyman followers or the general public. Good news is….ask Jesus to come into your life. He stands at your door. Let him in.
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And to whom was he speaking when he said he was founding a church and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it? Not you?
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Be quiet and never talk to me again you arrogant, irritating little tit, or I might change my mind. For once practice some humility and consider the value and wisdom on other council. oh and for future reference, I’m not your brother and I’m not good. What a plonker Rodney!
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Upon this Rock i will build my church.
What was this Rock?
But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee
For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
Oh no. The catholic church tells its flock that their rock is a man. And a blustering idiot of a man at that.
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Kefa is the Aramaic for ‘rock’, the Greek for which is Petros. Jesus calls Shimon, Petros, and you cannot see it for quoting irrelevant texts. Truly, those outside the Church are blind and cannot divine the meaning.
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Plonker rodney. Must be some british term. I f i knew what it meant, i could either be happy or mad.
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It is British, Bosco, and it amounts to saying you are somewhat dimwitted.
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Good brother Chalcedon, im contacting my lawyer because you are using my words. I have a patten on saying that people are blind to scripture.
Ok, thanks for the definition of plonker rodney. Well, im mad now.
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Christ wrote no book. Christ founded a Church. That Church knew what the book should and how to read it. You think you know, but you are the one to whom it is closed. Join the Church and learn to know its book.
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I greatly respect you for advising me to join your faith. You think you have salvation there and want other to have it too. No man lights a candle and puts it under a basket. You will make a great soldier for Christ. others in here just lamblast me. They dont tell me how to find salvation. jesus said to that numnut Peter to….”feed my sheep”. Thats all jesus was concerned about. Tell people the good news. Thats what i do. In the mean time, i blast the religions that keep men away from Christ. Thats were im taking serious flack. People are demanding my head on a platter. Because i expose their religion. They say i blast them personally. No. I blast the religion, not the followers. heck, look at me. The guitar was my god and idol. Im no better than anyone. For some weird reason, god chose me. And im glad. I know the creator of heaven and earth. Nice to have him as a friend.
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I agree Mark, except charity and forgiveness is not the problem we are facing. I think most of the people here forgive Bosco constantly and a number of us pray for him at times. But there is something called justice as well. As you and I are Catholics we understand that Purgatory is as necessary as is Mercy and as human beings we can forgive the thieves and murderers and yet they still must be kept away from the innocents. What about charity towards those who might be scarred by him? By all means, lets extend mercy and charity to Bosco, pray for him, and let Jess decide if there are some who might be hurt and injured spiritually by him. After weighing this all out, I am confident that she will make a proper decision. That is the dilemma that Jess faces. I wish it were as simple as an act of charity for Bosco but it isn’t.
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Good brother Servus, when you pray for me, what do you ask of Mary, or god? Do you ask that i follow costume holy men? Do you ask that i stop telling people that Jesus stands at the door and knocks? What evil do i do that you want me to stop doing. Im here because i love you. Not because i hate you. Time on earth is invaluable, and i spend it with you dear people. My message is the same as Jesus. Be ye born again.
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Yes Servus, I know, I know and I am no pacifist myself, I think Bosco has to hope God does not grade on the curve, or that will be a heck of a big crow to eat. What you say is quite right there is an element of justice involved and justice tempered with mercy at that, but we didn’t make Bosco the way he is, outside influences, life if you like, did that and life will either correct him or not, short of a miracle, he will remain one of Gods special people. Again though I consider who is in need of the doctor more, the sick or the healthy, and over time, who knows the ways of providence. Look you could be right, kick him off, and if that’s Jess’ decision, it’s good with me, not that my opinion carries any weight in the matter. but my instinct and inclination is not to put people under the ban.
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I agree with what you say Mark and I doubt any of us has an instinct to ban though I must admit that when I was still blogging that is exactly what I did to only visitor: and it was Bosco. He proved so disrupting that conversation and dialog seemed impossible if I didn’t. In fact such venom as he spews wasn’t conducive to my own prayer life or spiritual development. They are hard choices at times. I just feel incredibly sad at the depth of hurt that Newenglandsun had to experience at his hands at such a young age. I must admit that I do not have the virtue of patience to the degree our hostess does and I may have done the wrong thing but my peace of mind and spirituality needed more bolstering at the time that did Jess, obviously. Maybe that is one of the reasons that we all love her so much. She is a great role model for Christians of every stripe.
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Good sister Jess is an Anglican.Your religion tells you that her religion is invalid. And you must agree or youre contradicting your Pope, which is not allowed. When you smile in her face and compliment her, you are going agaisnt everything it means to be catholic. Which makes you a hypocrite. Personally, i never thought of you as hypocritical. But your re;ligion does. nd you must obey or be discommunicated, or what ever they call it.
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Can we flog Bosco for spam?
Also, that was not a typo.
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Bosco: I would be very interested If you could explain to me why consider that I am not born again, this might lead us to understand the criteria by which you judge us all.
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`You wont have to write this down good brother Rob, because i say it all the time. “My sheep know my voice” Jesus.
Yeah, maybe its not politically correct to tell someone they dont know Jesus. I try to get around that by just telling them to ask Him to show himself. True, i wouldnt have to ask someone who already knows the Lord. Listen up and listen good. Jesus was serious. His sheep knows his voice. When i dont hear his voice in your talk, that is that. Jesus is not the author of confusion. The born again can tell another fellow saint pretty quick. Good brother, thats how i know you dont know Jesus. Youve never met him. People who meet him are never the same.Kinda. You are still you, but meeting the creator of the universe tends to be game altering.
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So how do you know that I do not hear Jesus’ voice?
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you have never explained what “Jesus showing himself to us” looks like. maybe only bosco gets to go to heaven.
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Hi newenglandsun: are you asking me to explain what ‘Jesus showing himself to us looks like’ or are you putting that question to Bosco.
I would not use language like Bosco for the very reason we are all concerned here. It is not my place to put God in a box as if he has to do things with others as he has with me. Personally I am convinced I have experienced the Lord and that I am ‘born again’ / ‘saved’. I had certain experience when I first committed my life to Christ but my assurance of its validity came first from what I read in the gospels and the fact that ever since I have faith in Christ and ongoing experiences with Him, in spite of many years of family opposition.
The fact is that whatever emotional or psychological sensation anyone experiences at conversion these may be explained naturally. I think as you said to Jess in one comment we could be ‘just convincing ourselves of it all’. I cannot remember the exact words you used. For me the peace and joy of my conversion experience was convincing. However later there were some times of doubt. I have grown to understand the source of those times. As an individual I am naturally a perfectionist that does not go well with being a Christian – because I failed and fail to be perfect.
On top of that at home for my first 15 years as a Christian every failure brought from my guardian accusation that I was not what I was supposed to be as a Christian. The doubt about why I was not what I should be, did not destroy or remove faith but became a dark shadow that used gnaw at me at times.
I spent a lot of time studying apologetics and using my reason which dealt with this. But still it has to be admitted that all this could be ‘self delusion’. However I did not / do not think so I’m just stating that as it is a logical possibility and for you to consider this is entirely reasonable.
I pressed on with faith prayer and spreading the message of Christ and in so doing have had numerous experiences that I can think of no natural explanation for. Such events for me provide irrefutable evidence of the truth of Christ. But I should say that the faith I had resulted in the events that increased the faith. I hope you followed that. In the process I have seen quite a number of people come to faith in Christ, a fair few healed of physical ailment following prayer and others set free form emotional and spiritual damage.
It’s not all a bed of roses I have been through many extremely painful periods of life. Often at the hands of others who seemed to be friends or those I continually reach out to help who have taken advantage and exploited the opportunity. If it was not for the inner assurance of God’s presence I would never have survived.
Feel free to ask me any questions or challenge me just how you like and I will do my best to respond to you in straightforward way.
I have prayed for you today and given the name ‘newenglandsun’ (with no information gleaned from this site) to a close friend and asked her to pray for you also.
I have pondered today quite a number of times what advice I could give you and have been reticent to presume to give any, as it can seem easy and trite to do so and frankly offensive to someone needing an answer and getting a slick comment from a stranger. But I’ll risk it because I care – you don’t have to think it’s the right advice I’m not that smart but see if it helps:
You said you want to believe – my advice is don’t be in a rush trying to sort all this out – give yourself a break – take it bit by bit and in the meantime find what peace and hope in any naturally good things of life you can.
Rob
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asking bosco
thank you for your last sentence
i will give it a break
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OK Peace!
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