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One of the many delights of the internet is the ease of access to sources which might otherwise be difficult to find; one of the great pleasures of modern theology is the revival of the Orthodox contribution to it; it is one reason I like Fr Aidan Kimel’s blog, Eclectic Orthodoxy, so much. There is, in Eastern Orthodoxy, a strain of thought which seems to my poor faculties lacking, or at least little emphasised in the Western Tradition, and that is to do with mysticism and feeling and mystery; I cannot quite find the words I want, but they come close. It was a particular pleasure to find a reflection from the very Rev. Fr. John Behr, the Dean of St Vladimir’s Seminary, on the blog, especially as it was on the Trinity, upon which we have had so much discussion here. [Today’s post is an equally excellent reflection by Metropolitan Kallistos].
Fr John begins:
To avoid the confusion into which explanations often fall, it is necessary to distinguish between: the one God; the one substance common to Father, Son and Holy Spirit; and the one-ness or unity of these Three
and then startles:
The Father alone is the one true God. This keeps to the structure of the New Testament language about God, where with only a few exceptions, the world “God” (theos) with an article (and so being used, in Greek, as a proper noun) is only applied to the one whom Jesus calls Father, the God spoken of in the scriptures. This same fact is preserved in all ancient creeds, which begin: “I believe in one God, the Father …”
Goodness me! Isn’t that cutting the Creed short to fit an argument, I wondered, after all it continues to include the Son and the Holy Spirit; is Fr John really suggesting they are not ‘God’? But I read it again and saw what he means:
So there is one God and Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Spirit, three “persons” (hypostases) who are the same or one in essence (ousia); three persons equally God, possessing the same natural properties, yet really God, possessing the same natural properties, yet really distinct, known by their personal characteristics. Besides being one in essence, these three persons also exist in total one-ness or unity.
The Son is begotten of the Father before all worlds, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father (through the Son), so there is, in Fr John’s words an ‘essential asymmetry of the relation’ between Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with the Father being the ‘Monarch’.
This is not ‘modalism’, as Fr John emphasises. One of the features of the Divine Economy is the communion of love:
if they were simply different modes in which the one God appears, then such an act of communion would not be possible. The similar way of expressing the divine unity is in terms of “coinherence” (perichoresis): the Father, Son and Holy Spirit indwell in one another, totally transparent and interpenetrated by the other two. This idea clearly stems from Christ’s words in the Gospel of John: “I am in the Father and the Father in me” (14:11). Having the Father dwelling in Him in this way, Christ reveals to us the Father, He is “the image of the invisible God” (Col 1:15).
The third way in which ‘the total unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is manifest is in their unity of work or activity.’
Fr John asks, as I think we all must, what is the point of such reflections, and answers what I think I would have, had I the wisdom – namely that it stems from the attempt to answer the question of who Christ is. But he offers another purpose which lifts the spirit:
it also indicates the destiny to which we are also called, the glorious destiny of those who suffer with Christ, who have been “conformed to the image of His Son, the first-born, of many brethren” (Rom 8:29). What Christ is as first-born, we too may enjoy, in Him, when we also enter into the communion of love: “The glory which though hast given me, I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one” (John 17:22).
That, to me, on about the fifth prayerful reading, seems to me a wonderful motif for the New Year just begun.
Musing and contemplating the trinity is something I find myself often engaged in. I search out fresh thoughts in the scriptures and add the findings to my ever growing notes from which I drew the following comment which relate to this post.
“if they were simply different modes in which the one God appears, then such an act of communion would not be possible.”
The understanding of the trinity that the church has come to harmonizes the diverse revelation of scripture. However God is then often described with by a number of terms that are incomprehensible to the man in the street. In an attempt to communicate more simply I found a simple definition helps.
“There is one God perfectly united and existing in three personal modes”.
The difference between ‘appears’ and ‘existing’ is the difference between heterodox and orthodox.
Of course we need to go on to explain the manner of God’s unity as it is expressed in Trinitarian doctrine but the above seems to give easier access to those explanations.
“The Father alone is the one true God.” – This seems to imply deity only to the Father.
As Jess said we, might wonder where the room is left for Christ and the Holy Spirit – clearly things are explained as you move on but that phrase still sticks and I can’t swallow it easily. However you cut it seems to say that the Father alone (As in Father, Son and Holy Spirit is “Alone The One True God’) This ‘form of words’ cannot be precisely true and leave the room we know there is for ‘The Son’ and ‘The Spirit’.
I shall have to consider how reference to ‘an article’ apply only to ‘The Father’ is to be understood but as of now am happier with the following:-
“The one true God is Our Father” – This attributes both deity and Fatherhood to the Trinity.
The way in which ‘an article’ maybe being applied to the Father (alone) might be in the contexts of the Fatherhood of the ‘Triune God’, this will require a survey through the scriptures I had not noticed before that ‘an article’ was used exclusively in this way.
‘The Son’ is begotten of ‘The Father’ and ‘The Spirit’ proceeds from the Father through the Son – which indicates a Father relationship within the trinity towards ‘The Son’ and Holy Spirit. Several texts teach that the Spirit proceeds from the Father is the correct understanding in relation to the Holy Spirit e.g. Jn.14:16
So the term Father must be understood differently in terms of the FSS interrelationships within the Godhead than it is understood in relation to us and God our Father.
Jesus foretelling His death said “I go to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God”. He did not say “I go to our Father etc”, although that is how he taught us to pray.
We have a common relationship to the Father, Son and Spirit who gave us existence and through who we become a new creation and sons of God. Jesus eternal and un-created relationship to the Father is one of an entirely different order.
The Trinitarian God is our Father:
a) The Father is our Father Matt. 6:9;
b) The Son is a Father to us Isaiah 9:6;
c) The Holy Spirit is a Father Spirit, in Jn. 14:18.
Jesus speaking of the Holy Spirit (The gift of the Father Luke 11:13; Jn.14:26; Acts 1:4, 2:33 & 38) in Jn. 14:16-17, is speaking in the context of Philip’s request to see the Father Jn. 14:8 states:
“I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you”.
So in the Spirit’s coming Christ comes to us and in the Spirits coming we are no longer ‘orphans’ – we are no longer Fatherless. So in this way Jesus applies Fatherhood to both Himself and the Holy Spirit.
Additionally many experience a unique relationship with each of the persons of the trinity –‘Wheels within wheels’.
Just my meditation – I’m interested in how those with knowledge of creeds and councils consider this.
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Thank you Rob – that raises some fascinating questions – in a way so much so that I’d quite like to put them into a post under your name – which I can do if you allow me to.
One reason for doing is not just the intrinsic interest, but the fact that I have one of God the Father coming up and have asked C to do one on God the Son, and Geoffrey on God the Spirit, so your reflections would frame that perfectly. 🙂 xx Jess
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How do you suggest we go about it.
One way would be for you to do your ‘God the Father’ – I could then do a response with this as God the Father 2 – adding any thoughts I get from your post. Being ‘a man under authority’ – if you prefer I’ll amend my comment and post it first. (how do I get those faces to put in they help a lot?)
I have also been thinking of doing a post on the Holy Spirit – from a charismatic perspective which could follow on from Geoffrey’s.
My intention was then to go onto another post on gifts of the spirit.
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I am happy to put it up if you like. I have a picture of you saved in the media section. I don’t know if you can access it, but if you save one of yourself, you can put it up.
How does that sound?
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Thinking about it my comments provide a transition from trinity to Fatherhood of God so I think would be better coming first. Do you want me to get on with it – it will not take long to rejig it.
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OK – if you are happy to do that, it would be lovely x Jess
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Rob, I have put a draft post in your name with your picture in. You should be able to access it x Jess
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Thanks Jess: How do i access it?
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I’ve just logged on and have put your comment into it.
It will be under ‘posts’ and is marked with your name. See if you can access it. If not, then perhaps best for you to put one together from your comment and I can add the picture? I am here for a while now 🙂 x
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I have just checked, and it will say I am editing and ask if you want to take over – just say yes, and it is all yours. I will postpone my 1 o clock one for yours 🙂 x
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Ok Jess I have it and will take over editing thanks.
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Rob – it just went up – but if you want to change it, please do. xx Jess
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I must admit, the Eastern Orthodox are much more well-gifted at defending the Trinity than sadly Catholics and Protestants.
If not for the Eastern Orthodox, I would have definitely chosen between unitarianism and atheism.
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I agree. I think the EO and the idea of theosis help me more than anything else. I have some material here on theosis which you can find with the search tool if you are interested. Thanks for stopping by 🙂 x Jess
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Oh, I don’t think I’m just “stopping by” any more, LOL.
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Lovely to have you here. As you can see we come from a wide spectrum of Christian traditions, and I hope you will always feel free to join in 🙂 xx Jess
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