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Romans 2:1-6 and Romans 14:10 tell us what we fear to hear – that is that we shall be judged. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 tells us that the fire will come and test our works; all the things we have done which are not of God will be burned away; we stand before God, the Only Just Judge who will weigh what we have done and pronounce
The world is out of joint, and we are so with it. When the new world comes all will be transformed, including ourselves. Whatever some modernists want to argue, it is plain enough that the Church teaches the physical resurrection of the body. Sometimes our language implies that Heaven is somehow separate from the world and that our final destination is not here; but it seems equally to be the case that we might read the Bible as telling us that this earth will also be transformed and that we shall be here in eternal life. I do not say it is so, but what I do suggest is that whilst we are told much about hell, we are told little about our final destination if it is Heaven. If, as we hope, we shall be on God’s presence, well God stands outside of time and space, or encompasses them and everything else, so there is no particular reason not to see Heaven as very close to us – even though we see if as through a glass darkly.
It is clear from the NT that if someone rejects God and does not want to be part of His kingdom, then God respects that free-will judgment. It would be nice to believe that at the last moment every such person would repent and turn to Him – but I see no scriptural warrant, or any from tradition, to suppose that is so. This bears hard on one such as myself whose father always rejected God and anything to do with Christianity with a fierce hostility; I can’t see God forcing my father to do what he never wanted to do, so I fear for his final fate. It would be comforting me to be able to believe otherwise, but that would be to impose my own needs on the New Testament; the temptation to do that is strong in all sorts of areas, but we are called to conform ourselves to Him – not Him to us.
God is the Just Judge, and He will take into account everything we have done; he knows the innermost thoughts of our hearts, and nothing we do or think is hidden from Him; He will judge with mercy, but judge He will; and what we have done with the life He has given to us will the subject matter of that judgment. What we do here is a preparation for Heaven, and even though we can know little of what that is, there’s no reason to suppose that it will involve sitting around with harps (where did that one come from, by the way?). My temptation is to think of it as this world, but put right, redeemed by God, in which the old Eden will be restored and we shall be with Him for ever.
I’m looking forward to the day when the earth is redeemed from the Curse. The closest analogy I can think of is when I played a videogame at a time when graphics made a significant leap forward. The colours in the lush terrain were beautiful; compared with the older games, it was like crossing from now to the ‘world/age to come.’
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It is one of the most enduring mysteries that there is. If God is a Just Judge as we all say that He is, then how does He even the playing field from individual to individual. Some never hear the Gospel, some are born into other religions, cults or countries that persecute religion and or indoctrinate the young into secularism. Then there is the individuals own private set of influences during ones life that are as different as there are people, not to mention the different abilities to reason or the different handicaps that people have that may hamper their pilgrimage on earth. So for your father (and mine), your daughter (and my children) the hope is that God has some way to sort all of this out and that we have the right, yea the responsibility, to continue to hope in the Mercy of God for these loved ones.
For those who are terribly disadvantaged, I somehow feel that not only are we to see Christ in them and visit the sick and imprisoned, feed the hungry etc. but that in some mysterious ways they ‘are Christ among us.’ They are Lazarus at the door of the rich man. Funny how in the story there is not a word of how good a man Lazarus was at all and yet he ended up with Abraham. There will always be those who for whatever reason will never find the Christian faith or in finding it, will not believe it. I don’t know the answer but I do know that I will continue to have hope that God knows how to judge these people in a just and merciful way.
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So I am guessing you are not a fan of Rob Bell’s “Love Wins”?
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Another thing I could never understand is that if we are judged by our works why are our works not considered for being saved if it is by grace alone.
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Judged by our works but saved by grace alone, how do we reconcile this? – My musings.
I think we need to first consider the context and determine if the works of Christians or non-Christians are the subject of the text being considered.
My take on it is that it’s not just a case of saved or not saved. The saved will be judged according to their works (re parable of the talents and their use of them etc.) and rewarded differently and accordingly. I see these rewards as greater or lesser opportunity and responsibility in continued service to the Lord in the aage to come, rather than prizes for our own ego. This matter seem to take place at the ‘Judgment Seat of Christ’ rather that the ‘Great White Throne Judgment’ which may lead to perdition. This doctrine of rewards cand be followed through scripture e.g. Paul ‘One star differs in glory from another so it is in the ressurection’.
Then there is the issue of the judgment of the works of non Christians. In Romans we read that “those who continually do good by seeking for glory, honor and immortality will be given eternal life”. This text comes prior to a specific statement of the means of salvation through the gospel.
My personal opinion is that there are those who pursue this manner of life while being aware of falling short and in humility realize their only hope can be in the mercy of a God they pursue with little knowledge but in the hope of his mercy. This state of affairs seems to embrace the principles of the Gospel without specific knowledge of it and I think God judges the heart. There is an interesting text that impinges on this idea that tells us when we see Christ we will see Him “crowned with glory, honor and immortality”. I wonder if the situation will be for these seekers that when they see Him they will recognize Him as the one for whom they sought throughout their lifetime. The basis of their salvation will not be their works but the grace and mercy won by the atonement of Christ.
A friend of mine told me C. S. Lewis in one of his tales speaks of two individuals serving two gods one the true God and the other a false god. At the judgment they are both welcomed into the realm of the true God. The one is perplexed and says “but I was never serving you”. He is told the good you continually did in service to what you imagined to be your god was actually received by me as your devotion” or the tale goes something like that.
Grace is the basis of salvation received through humble faith in God’s mercy I think individuals can arrive there without having heard the gospel.
Neither am I entirely without hope for those who seem to reject God in their lifetime. Only God can know the form of god it is that they are rejecting and there are images of God held and presented by some Christians that I reject myself.
Maybe now I will be added to the role of heretics – it’s my speculation and hope rather than doctrine.
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Rob, that reference is to Emeth the Calormene, who had spent his lifetime in doing good in the name of Tash at the end of Narnia. He was rewarded for good service by Aslan and accompanied the Kings farther in and further up.
It’s a very good lesson, I think.
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Thanks Neo I often pick up lots of information in my contact with others but simply do not have the time to trace the original quotations and am grateful to those who are more widely read. I’ll file that info away, though I seem to remember that my friend said that C. S. Lewis tale preceded the Narnia series I’ll check with her.
I notice you were not in agreement with my post on Freemasonry and perhaps this comment has balanced what I said there. My concern is not over the ultimate salvation of those who honestly seek God in the way I have suggested but their spiritual progress and effectiveness for the Kingdom of God if they are caught up in a system that detracts from the truth we find in Christ.
Of course I may be wrong and fundamentalist/literalist/Reformed evangelicals may be right but for the scripture quoted from Romans provides some basis for my speculation.
Many other here have suggested that God may have his means of justifying those considered outside of Christ reach by some. I have just sought to consider how it is he might do so.
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Ideas very well presented with meaningful insight.
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I’m not, Rob but in truth mainly because I view it as a distraction. So many Catholics and Fundamentalists get so very worked up over what is basically rumor, and old rumor at that. I found “Born in Blood” quite persuasive as well, mostly because it makes rational and evidentiary sense, to disprove it to me, would require the same type of discipline. If that author is correct, it would explain the RCC’s institutional hatred but still, the 14th century is long ago.
As to finding sources, it’s a problem we all have, we, or at least I, don’t maintain cross reference files for everything we know, and some slip through the cracks. Only one I remember in his work but that proves nothing really.
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Why did Christ frequently exhort people to go and do things if all they needed to do was believe in Christ. In the NT Christ is always telling people to live a lifestyle, to do things, to stop actions that are bad and to start doing actions that are good. Faith in the NT is a verb, not a belief.
Why is it that this is no longer part of Christianity, rather than “Go and do likewise” Christians are told to say the Sinner’s Prayer and they are saved?
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Is that so I think you have no concept at all about the teachings or practice of Christianity. I know that no Christians on this site consider Christianity as you have just portrayed it.
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I’m puzzled Rob. KG seems not to understand much about Christianity, but seems to be of the opinion that as it is not what it was in his version of the 1st century it is somehow mot true Christianity, because that would really be Jewish. Some sort of messianism, JW, unitarianism at work here? It would help if he responded to my asking him what his agenda is, but he prefers making comments and saying everyone save himself is wrong. Still, we encourage everyone here, and so let us keep a conversation going, even if it isn’t going anywhere much 🙂
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I Googled “How to become a Christian”. Here are the top three results…
http://christianity.about.com/od/newchristians/p/becomechristian.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Christian-According-to-the-Bible
http://www.sbc.net/knowjesus/theplan.asp
How do these disagree with what I said?
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During the month of Lent, are we supposed to give up something?
In that case, im gonna give up being sober and drink whiskey every day.
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I did that daily for over 35 years. Doesn’t bring happiness. Clean and sober 11 years, 9 months. Suddenly the entire world changed for the better.
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Happy to hear that good brother. Great news
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