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One of my favourite passages in all Scripture is John 13:34-35:
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
It is the most solemn hour of His Ministry. Jesus knows what is coming, so does Judas, but no one else does. He first gives an example of love by washing the feet of his disciples, and when Peter gets upset, brings him round by saying that unless his feet are washed, he cannot be part of Jesus – at which, characteristically, Peter more or less demands a full body wash; how easy it is to love Peter, and how obvious it is why he had the Grace to first see Jesus for who he was; that great heart was so full of love that God did not have to travel far to meet him. It was that which made him make a promise which he could not keep, and that which made him die for his Master in the end.
Christ forecast that his disciples would be known by their love one for another, and, for all the difficulties there were in the aftermath of his death and resurrection, they do, indeed, seem to have been marked out by their mutual love. It seems unlikely that St Paul did not cause as much asperity at times as he gave out, but even he and James seem to have managed to contain their mutual irritation; they were too much alike to see it, and both keenly observant Jews who had come to see what other Jews has missed – that Jesus was the Messiah.
We know that the Church Fathers could sometimes be less than charitable in their dealings with those with whom they disagreed; St Cyril of Alexandria was less than kind to Nestorius, and, in return, his detractors heartily loathed him. One of the most common charges against Christians is that they have often behaved in this way; one of the most common defences is to say that this is necessary because we are dealing with heretics; and, of course, if each side considers the other a heretic, that is going to produce something pretty horrible on both sides. What seems quite lacking is the humility that suggests that one might have misunderstood, or that trying to shout loudest might not be the best way forward. I wonder what, had there been such, Church Mothers would have had to say about this – it looks like typical Alpha Male behaviour.
It is certainly a million miles away from the first being last, and from the leader being the servant of all. As we look back now to earlier conflicts, it seems that the splits after Chalcedon and in 1054 might well have been avoided had both sides listened more and shouted less; that might be so of later splits.
There is, I think, no example of this sort of behaviour actually helping anyone or any cause. It has led to splits and leads to their perpetuation. Is it Christ in us which makes us call others heretics – or something else? Do we show we are His in our attitude? Or do we show a love of self and a desire to ‘win’? Or are we only truly His in humility and love!
Charity in dealing with others is always a virtue but I’m sort of torn on this one because I’m not sure any history can do justice to the men who were involved in the early councils. If they were like more modern councils to the extent that what went on outside the councils in private talks was almost as important as the actual proceedings or letters exchanged between competing ideas, then we can’t know the depths of what was discussed or the charity that they may have shown one another before the actual council proceedings themselves.
Likewise, depending on the situation and topic no charity is shown another persons soul by agreeing or patching up a fundamental position of the Truth that the Church is sworn to uphold and guard. That is a matter of being ‘nice’ but not of being charitable for the salvation of another’s soul.
Finally, quite frankly, at times I wish we would have a great exodus of those that do not hold all of the truths of the Catholic faith as they do nothing but water down the teachings and misinform the laity and their children in regards to the most important matter for the human soul to get right. I would rather have a small remnant Church that taught Truth than a large congregation that teaches half-truths and passes them on as the Faith. Sometimes, division is called for as is formal excommunication: “And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.” __ Matthew 18:17 It is for their own good as well as the good of the Church.
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Jess Said – “I wonder what, had there been such, Church Mothers would have had to say about this – it looks like typical Alpha Male behaviour.”
Jess I know you will not agree but that’s a good case for female leadership in the church.
Servus I know you are coming from different premise but “I would rather have a small remnant Church that taught truth than a large congregation that teaches half-truths and passes them on as the Faith. Sometimes, division is called for … “is exactly why our side is where we are.
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And I am a prime example of why female leadership needs male help, I think 🙂
Yes, I take the point, that we may now have reached, at least in the West, the point where men are ready to listen to us 🙂
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Rob has an excellent point here. Even if not formal leadership, the involvement of the “Church Mothers” would be likely to provide channels of communication and quietness that men are unlikely to find on their own, guys have been known on occasion to let their egos write checks.
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I’m going for the involvement of the church handmaidens personally 🙂
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Actually that would work even better, I was having one of my rare pc fits. 🙂
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A temporary phenomenon, I hope 🙂 xx
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It is, I have the moments when I think I should be polite, I’ll recover soon 😉
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Interesting you bring this topic Jess, as I’ve recently opened my library to a host of authors with prayers of an open mind and heart to try and grasp what it is that divides us so greatly. You’ll appreciate some of my choices as I tried to be fair and load contributors with a Catholic background along with Orthodox, Reformed, Classic Theism, etc., etc., etc. I’ve loaded (from your vantage) along with some historical stuff, a Catholic study Bible, and Catechism of the Catholic Church. Authors (from your vantage) include Fulton Sheen, Devin Rose, Carl Olsen, and tacked on Saint John of the Cross (recommended by an author here at your place) and Thomas Aquinas for a look from behind.
I figure it’s now inevitable… I’ll soon be so mixed up that the men in white suits will be chasing me around the ranch with butterfly nets. 🙂
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I hope not Mike – I see it as enlightenment and Grace abounding 🙂 x
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Yes, I struggle with that too. I understand that there is the concept that sometimes we have to be tough with people if we are going to be charitable, but I think sometimes it is still used in a way that could not be soul killing.
I once read where a good spiritual director is one who can chastise and correct accordingly, without crushing a persons soul in the process by being too blunt or harsh.
It could probably be said the same for dealing with souls of differing beliefs. The sad thing is, people just do not want to take the time to understand others always. They have their ideas, they have a million things to do, and someone comes along with something they do not like, and boom – they start the harshness and/or the name calling.
I do not know if people will ever learn to disagree charitably. I have seen too much of the other in my life.
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I know what you mean, dear friend.
I think that the Jews of old had an understanding, but not a full one.
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Yes. They definitely had not yet received the fullness of the Faith. God bless you.
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I think it is also much harder to get it right in this medium – when face to face we can read the attitudes we encounter much more easily. Here we get to know one another over time from what we pick up post by post. Have just visited your site and gained some insight.
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Yes, I can agree with that. The written word is always more fraught with that potential. Thank you for visiting my site too by the way. God bless you.
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Good sister Jess, uh, i hate to be the one to break this to you. But when jesus told his followers to show love for one another, he was talking to his FOLLOWERS, not everyone on earth. Later, those followers recieved the holy ghost(were born again). The new test isnt for the unsaved. Sorry. Its speaking to the born again. I see all the time in here and elsewhere people say…the things that divide us. oh we should come together, learn each others false docrine and become one big happy false church. Wanna know the dividing line? There are 2 types of people in the world….the saved and the unsaved. You dont see groups of born again people rioting or having picnics or a headquarters or a flag. We are scattered everywhere. But we are united as we all know the same person, Jesus and when we meet, we are of one accord. The unsaved got loads of religions,flags, headquarters crazy beliefs, calling others heretics(funny, the ones who call people heretics are the ones you see bowing befor graven images) What divide us….Some are doomed to the lake of fire and some arent. There is no imbetween like some wacky religions like to sell their sheep..
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The problem with this Bosco is that it becomes self-serving. You decide who is saved and behave accordingly. Except you don’t, God does.
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Hi Jessica. I just wanted to let you know that I nominated you for a blogger award. If you are interested, you can check out the details here: http://biltrix.com/2013/07/27/biltrix-discovers-puzzling-new-planet-and-is-nominated-for-most-influential-blogger-award/
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