The idea that we can believe what we like is deeply rooted in our society as part of our fundamental freedom. I doubt many of us wish to return to the time when uttering a word of sedition against the monarch or the Established Church could land you in chokey. In that sense the answer to the question of whether it matters what we believe is that it does not. On the other hand, it clearly does matter – were it not so, politicians and advertisers would not spend fortunes trying to win our support. Belief has consequences.
One of the things we used to hear from the pulpit was that one of the consequences of sin was hell-fire. If I were ever tempted to write about the last fifty years, I’d call it ‘the decline of hell’. I recall being told many years ago by a priest in the Church of England that he thought the whole idea of such preaching was a bad thing. It was, he argued, better to stress God’s love than to dwell on hell. I agreed with him about God’s love, but didn’t about hell.
The emphasis on God’s love has often led, as it did with Origen, toward a form of universalism – that is the belief that all shall be saved. The discussion we had earlier this week about predestination was, in part, a debate about whether a merciful and loving God can make folk who are bound for hell. It was, in part, the old Calvinistic idea of predestination which made some reluctant to preach about hell-fire, but if we reject the notion that it is God who condemns us to hell in favour of the idea that it is we who do so by rejecting Him and His love, then it becomes incumbent upon us to mention hell occasionally.
There is a consequence to rejecting God and His love. Christ Himself tells us about hell and that those who reject Him will be consigned there. Of course, if we want to advance the argument (not often heard in mainstream Christian circles now) that only members of our own communion will go Heaven, then we are bound to expect a back-lash from the rest of Christianity. But what if we take the view that those who confess Christ are in with a chance? If we were to do that, we’d open a space to talk about what happens to those who reject Him.
Note that this is not about those who do not know or who have not had a chance of knowing Him. In the beginning and the end everything is, as Jess implied this morning, Grace. But I do wonder whether we have not gone far too far in the direction of stressing God’s love and not done enough to warn of the consequences? That is not to argue we should believe because we are frightened of hell, but it is to say that if we believe it exists, we are under an obligation to say something about it.
Hear, hear. I totally agree. The average parish priest no longer speaks of hell either. It is a shame to gloss over such an eternal consequence to the way one lives their life. One could say that God puts no one in hell: we place ourselves there by our choices.
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That last, once grasped, should make it perfectly possible to preach about hell.
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Indeed. I used to make it a standard part of my teaching to converts to the Catholic faith.
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And good teaching it is too. My next one, up later, is that other terminally unpopular one – sin 🙂
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You mean that beside’s telling me that I must take responsibility for my own life you are going to insult me by telling me what a horrible sinner I am to boot? You’re just one of the fire and brimstone types aren’t you? 🙂
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You got it brother 🙂
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Just teach love and charity brother Geoffrey. You’re going to run off all the parishioners and the collection plate is surely to suffer. 🙂
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We’re Yorkshire folk up here, and it’s the only way to get their pockets open 🙂
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In the US we are looking for a kinder and gentler religion. So if you are telling me that we have to ‘deny ourselves, and take up our cross’ then I want to deny myself spinach (because I don’t like it) and I want you fashion my cross out of vellum and stuff it with goose down so that it won’t be too heavy and won’t be abrasive to my delicate skin. That isn’t too much to ask for now, is it? 🙂
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Well, sinners will always look for comfort rather than correction – alas.
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Yes. It reminds me of the old inquisition bit, that Monty Python used to do, with the ‘comfy chair’.
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Aye, I had forgotten that one 🙂
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An old favorite. It appeals to the type of punishment I would prefer. Maybe I can plea bargain for the ‘comfy chair’.
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I think we’d better settle for thanking God that His Son took upon Himself the pain of our sins 🙂
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A wiser choice, my friend. 🙂
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But one so many do not take because their will is paralysed by sin.
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Don’t you know that we are all victims? Nobody is responsible and no sin is our own fault. There is a movement afoot to get Christ to come down off the Cross. To imitate His footsteps to Calvary or drink from the same Chalice is not what we want to hear anymore, alas.
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Very much the case, alas.
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For those people, I like to tell them that a candle serves no purpose if it is not consumed. It is only then that it gives off light.
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Very true.
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I see that I’m late to the discussion,(errr more like choir practice) I agree too with both, and have little to add. 🙂
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Well, just as long as we put the fear of God into them, eh? 🙂
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Aye, Why wouldn’t one fear a just God? 🙂
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Indeed friend – if we have any self-knowledge, we will faer indeed.
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That we will.
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“Why would one fear a just God?”
The contemporary wisdom is that (seeing as God is said to be like a parent to us) “what sort of parent leaves his children in a place full of temptation without adequate preparation?”
I feel that this argument is lacking, but have not been able to find a logically satisfactory response.
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Yes, that is a point often made. For me the answer lies in Scripture itself and in the church. God has given us the information we need, and it is the job of Christians to share it and to help others to avoid the temptations. If, however, we disbelieve in Satan and Hell, then how easy it is for the former to lure us into the latter.
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1 Cor. 10:13
“No testing has overtaken you that is not common to everyone. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tested beyond your strength, but with the testing he will also provide the way out so that you may be able to endure it.”
Hebrews 12
“7 Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline? 8 If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children. 9 Moreover, we had human parents to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not be even more willing to be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share his holiness. 11 Now, discipline always seems painful rather than pleasant at the time, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”
Perhaps of some help in understanding this.
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