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Shifting our focus back from controversies over doctrine, to more basic ones over the nature of Scripture, I want to say something about Jessica’s favourite Gospel – that according to St. John.
When I was a young man at University my tutors had a firm line on St John’s Gospel. They were agreed that it was a second century document; that it was a product of Hellenistic thinking; that it had in it Gnostic elements; and that whoever had written it, it could not have been the Beloved disciple who stood at the foot of the cross. One of the pleasures of growing older has been to see nearly every element in this exploded.
The conclusion that it was second century came from the belief among scholars back then that its theology was far too complex for the early Church. The fragment of St John’s Gospel now at the John Rylands Library in Manchester, known as P52, is thought to date from around 120 AD. It was found in Egypt. No one believes it was written there, so it is a copy. We cannot know where it originated or how many copies there were in circulation at the same time. We do know it takes time for copies to be made and to circulate, and it is not unreasonable to suppose it might have taken a decade between the composition of the Gospel and its arrival in Egypt. Modern scholarship suggests, in other words, that c.100 A.D. is probably the latest date for its composition.
At the very least, that suggests that the superior attirude to the early church – that is that it could not have had an understanding of Jesus as the Logos of God is wrong.
The authorship is also a vexed question. It is usually supposed that the tradition of Christianity is that the author is the Beloved disciple and that one of the triumphs (I use the word with a heavy tone of irony, if not plain sarcasm) of modern scholarship. In fact, from the earlier times there have been those who doubted that claim.
Possibly our earliest independent witness, Papias of Hieropolis, writing in the early second century, and acquainted with those who had talked with the Apostles and other eyewitnesses. What survives of his prodigious output are small fragments embedded in Eusebius. On this basis, scholars such as Martin Hengel and Richard Bauckham have challenged the views of more liberal scholars, that the book was a compilation, and even the view of Raymond Brown that it was the product of a ‘Johannine cmmunity’, and attributed it to the ‘John the elder’ mentioned by Eusebius as the author of ‘Revelation’.
Their arguments are ingenious, but unnecessary, and they do what is all too common in modern scholarship, fail to take into account the authorial voice. It would be very hard to read John’s Gospel and not assume he was the one who had leant on the Lord’s breast at the last supper. If (and Hengel and Bauckham suggest) this John ‘the elder’ was prominant enough in the church to have produced 4 or 5 books of the New Testament canon, more steps would have been taken to distinguish him from John the son of Zebedee. The early church went to great lengths to distinguish between James the brother of Jesus and James the son of Zebedee, and between the numerous men named “Judas.” It seems strange that this John the elder would fall off of the historical radar. (Note also the distinction in the Synoptics between John the Baptist and John the son of Zebedee. If it weren’t for the latter John, perhaps John the Baptist would just be known as “John.”)
I can see no reason to suppose that in place of the eye-witness of the Last Supper we need another chap called ‘John’. It reminds me of the old joke that the Illiad wasn’t written by Homer, but by another fellow of the same name.
….. and, of course, you cannot mention scholarship on John without mentioning JAT Robinson’s beautiful contribution ‘The Priority of John’.
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I want to say something separate on that one Jock- I tend to agree with him.
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Looking forward to this – so do I.
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I shall get it up soon Jock.
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Since the Jesus Seminar scholars – I haven’t paid much attention to what the Bible scholars are up to as late. I am glad that there those, like yourself C, who have the patience to wade through it however.
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Interestingly, it is coming round to where the Church has always been – which is fun for those of us of a certain age!
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I am glad to hear that, C. Looking forward to your writing on John Robinson and a look at what is so noticeably missing in the writings of the NT authors.
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Those of you who can read French should read Jean-Chrétien Petitfils “Jésus”, an excellent, scholarly rendering of the most theological AND most historical of the gospels.
A saintly Holy Week and let’s look forward tor Easter!
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What is “gnostic” about St. John’s Gospel?I think it is our Grandpappa’s favorite gospel. Ronald Knox said it sounds like the ramblings of a very old man. I agree with both.
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There was a whole school of thought to that effect is the ninettenth century and well into the last century.
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Thanks, C451. A lovely summary of the present state of scholarship on John. I think you are absolutely correct about the personal touches in John’s Gospel, and right to credit it to ‘the beloved disciple’ himself. Academics sometimes forget that the books of the New Testament were written by human beings, each with his own distinctive agenda. One of John’s aims was to claim a privileged intimacy with Jesus, hence his mock-modest references to ‘the beloved disciple’. These references do not make sense unless the Gospel was written by John himself.
Apropos of some of your recent posts, John also provides further support for the primacy of Peter (as I am sure you are very well aware :-)). The famous ‘Feed my lambs’ exchange between Jesus and Peter is, I think, only in John’s Gospel.
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Yes, indeed, on your last point. Thank you for your comments/
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Chalcedon and the others: I’ve enjoyed the discussions here over the last week or two. I’m going on holiday now (which includes a holiday from the internet) for the next week.
May I convey my best wishes for Easter to all the irregulars.
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Good to have you here, Jock, enjoy your holiday and have a good and holy Easter.
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It is interesting how some can believe one thing in faith, but write some else for their peers.
Did John have Knowledge of Christ, did he have the Holy Spirit which brought all things to remembrance, Did he have teachers, was he Holy, was he sat aside by God. Was he informed by suffering and made wise.
So, but they write with the three pounds of meat in their head, but not much of the heart, because that will not please their peers.
I have read much of the scholars of the 19th century and they were scientific products of more their time, and afraid to be caught out in the times of the Gospel.
I like that the fact that Luke was wrong on the governor Cyrinus of Syria
And it came to pass, that in those days there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that the whole world should be enrolled. This enrolling was first made by Cyrinus, the governor of Syria
But in the repair of a roman road, was found a stone face down that showed that Cyrinus was governor as Luke stated. He was twice governor.
I know I am Too Hard, in the world of publish or perish, someone must be wrong or you can not publish.
Or in the words of Eliza Doolittle, “Words! Words! Words! I’m so sick of words! I get words all day through; first from him, now from you!”
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There is only One Word who matters Tom.
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Another fascinating post. John is my favourite Gospel too. Since it clearly encompassed Greek philosophy, and I like Greek philosophy, that’s hardly surprising. Indeed my favourite parable is Plato’s parable of the cave, which isn’t in the Bible at all.
One thing I’ve never been able to find out much about, but which interests me is the extent to which Greek philosophy was woven (or not) into the life of people at the time of Jesus. There were, I understand, some Greek temples around Nazareth. However, one wonders as to whether what Jesus was up to during his time in the wilderness was genning up on how to live a good life as advanced by some of the Greek greats. Wasn’t it Aristotle who said that a good life lived is a life of service and self-sacrifice? I’m not that schooled in this sort of thing to recall off hand, but I find the idea appealing.
S.
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The next couple of posts touch on this, so I hope you enjoy them.
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