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It is clearly a day for big questions – I blame it on my priest and his sermon this morning asking us why we went to Church and what we thought it meant to be a Christian in our times and our society when we were ‘under threat’
There is much in the UK Press at the moment about Christians here being ‘persecuted’ in various ways and going to the European Court of Human Rights to secure the right to practice their faith in the public sphere. The Archbishop of Canterburyy does not think that what is being complained of amounts to persecution, whilst others argue that unless we find a ‘louder voice’ we risk falling into a situation where real persecution might become possible.
Across the Western world we see the position which our grandparents’ generation took for granted in terms of Christianity’s place in the public square undermined and overturned. To call that ‘persecution’ risks our not having a word to describe what is happening to our brothers and sisters in the Middle East and Nigeria and Pakistan; but to treat it as though it is of no account is to risk not noticing the thin end of what might turn out to be a very fat wedge.
I wear a crucifix. I have worn it since my confirmation at the age of 14. I feel naked without it. It is not a requirement that I wear it, but it is a promise I made to God. My place of work has no policy on such matters, but if it told me I could not wear it I should feel indignant and I would feel threatened. There is nothing in my faith which tells me anything other than to be kind to others, and therefore when I am at work I don’t care what sexuality, race or views the people I serve have; all are one to me and my job is to help.
That, for me, is where my faith comes into the public sphere. I try to be as efficient and hard-working and as conscientious as possible because I feel that is what being a Christian requires of me. So, however tempting it is in quiet moments to slip onto the blog and see what is going on, I don’t. I will do so in my lunch-hour, but I will do so on my own i-pad rather than use the company’s equipment. No one would notice if I used the work computer – but I would, and that’s enough for me.
My priest tells me that is over-scrupulosity, and he is no doubt right, but for me to do otherwise would be to use for my own purposes something which is for work. Likewise, I do not expect work to tell me what I may wear by way of representing my faith.
But that’s a grey area, I know. I work in a public space, and my office is the first thing people coming into my department see, and I am the public face of the University. So, I dress smartly, because I want that to reflect well on work when people pop in to see me. I see some colleagues wearing skirts which are rather short, and tops which are rather low, but I choose not to follow them. So how would it be if work told me I must not wear my crucifix, but said nothing about a skirt so short that it attracted attention?
I think I would feel profoundly offended. But what if I had a big crucifix on my wall, and religious statuary? Well, although I have both at home, I don’t have them in the work-place, as my office is a public one, and I would think it wrong. My co-author actually has, and has had for years, a crucifix on his office wall and some icons, but as his office is not a public space in the same way, he feels under no obligation in the way I do.
So, I suppose I am saying that to me, these things are a matter of common sense. Limits are set by one’s sense of common purpose, and the better for it. But in the end, if work told me to take off my crucifix or leave, I should leave. If I am forbidden to make any personal statement of my faith in the public sphere, I shall retreat from it – and take whatever consequences there might be.
“Across the Western world we see the position which our grandparents’ generation took for granted in terms of Christianity’s place in the public square undermined and overturned. To call that ‘persecution’ risks our not having a word to describe what is happening to our brothers and sisters in the Middle East and Nigeria and Pakistan; but to treat it as though it is of no account is to risk not noticing the thin end of what might turn out to be a very fat wedge.”
I think this is the key paragraph here. I saw a post/study that as the Moslem presence increases the wedge thickens. And of course our Democrats proved last week how much support we will have from our various sorts of humanists. You have more of that presence than we do, and we have stronger guarantees but we too are seeing the procession from disdain to active dislike and to.[what?]
Yes what we are facing at present, here or there, is by no means what our Coptic brothers and sisters are facing, parenthetically I not that the last synagogue in Egypt has closed.
Let us speak plainly, while we yet can, we are in the opening skirmishes of an assault on our faith, if we do not prepare, and part of that preparation is to learn to work together, we shall one day soon be at the same point as the Bosnians or even the Copts. If the church fall western civilization will follow as surely as night follows day.
A timely warning indeed, Jessica.
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Thank you my friend. I agree 100% with everything you say. We must prepare now and fight now – it may be too late sooner than we think.
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It can go very fast. The reason I don’t write more about it, as Jess knows but others may not, is that while it is critically important, it is not central to the solution. That solution, at least in the states, is to get our government back under control. That is our Schwerpunkt. If we can do that, the rest will be fairly easy as we resume our role as watchman of the city. If we cannot, responsibility will devolve, and I have no idea where to.
But and this is important, if you are not American, you would be wise, as the Empire was in 1940, to fight at least a holding action. Without England as a base, Germany would still be ruling Europe.
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You are quite right my dear friend, but here the cause may be all but lost. It will be interesting to see what the European Court rules, but no one I know is holding out much hope.
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I still say that your membership in the EU is almost as much of a problem as our problem with our government.
You guys are a lot different that Germans and Frenchmen, a lot more like us in fact. You have the same problem we do, and worse. Your government, and even more Brussels is a tyrannical government. The case we are speaking of has no business being in a European court, this is a matter for a justice of the peace.
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It is indeed, and I cannot think what we want with the Code Napoleon and the rest of it.
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Correct, the Code Napoleon is a system designed to control a servile population, while the common law, which parliament pretty much overthrew to get into the EU is designed to maintain the freedom of the individual, which is why , aside from familiarity, that we adopted it intact.
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Spot on my dear friend. I daresay there is some reason our politicians think it is all so wonderful, but it passes my poor understanding.
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The answer to your question of why the politicians think it wonderful is in my description of the two.
Our politicians a wont to say ‘America is ungovernable’ to which we reply “Yes, it;s a feature, not a bug.”
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That, I like – a lot 🙂
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I’m glad. it’s a watchword here! 🙂
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It’s a very good one – wish we had it here.
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Well dear friend, “Lead, follow or get out of the [*******] way”. I’l bet that’s been used a few times in rather more august company lately.
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I hope so.
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Me too, there’s still a few thing to learn from us colonials. 🙂
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Yes, we could try that freedom thing – whatever happened to that 🙂
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It worked pretty good here (and there) for a long time, time to unleash it again. 🙂
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We could certainly do with that.
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We surely could
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Well, perhaps you guys can set the example in November? 🙂
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We are working on it. As always with us, the Congress is as important as the President. 🙂
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Indeed, and whatever happens with the Presidential contest, I can’t see the Dems winning Congress.
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Nor I but, and here is the rub, we have to get the executive back under control, right now he’s very much acting like King Obama I and he’s worse than George III.
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If he wants to be a king, he should resettle in Kenya 🙂
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Judging by the interviews ‘d Souza did, we’d happily trade for his poverty stricken, capitalistic half brother in Kenya.
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Sound a good trade to me 🙂
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Me too. 🙂
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Let us hope he goes soon:)
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Aye, I think Hawaii would be almost as good as St. Helena, would your navy like to provide security, again. 🙂
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I’m sure we could find a ship for him 🙂
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Good, bet you could find plenty of volunteers without pressing American sailors as well. 🙂
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A nice sea voyage would be good for him 🙂
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Without a teleprompter too, poor guy 🙂
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He could learn to write all over again – another volume of memoirs us surely over due?
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Without his ghostwriter, you mean, really write? Hah 🙂
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Maybe Mishy could help? 🙂
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At least she’d have something to be proud of 🙂
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Yes, and she’d be harmlessly employed.
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Neither of our countries can afford her 22 ladies-in-waiting, however 🙂
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Well, we could reduce them to two young ladies 🙂
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That seems reasonable 🙂
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the Code Napoleon is a system designed to control a servile population
This is not actually true, not of its essential purposes.
The Code Napoléon at its most fundamental level enshrines the Family as the basis of Law.
Attempts have been ongoing, a great many of them successful, since 1848 to destroy this basic underpinning of the Code.
François Hollande with his “gay marriage” proposal seeks at present to just utterly destroy it.
The truly worrying thing is the general apathy of the French towards this extreme Constitutional disruption.
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I don’t agree, nothing ever done by an atheistic society has ever enshrined the family, which in it present for was developed by the Roman church around the millenium. It was designed primarily to control the serf who had been freed by the revolution and the conquered nations like Prussia.
Is Hollande and company gutting it, Yes that is very true.
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Add to what you said NEO is the fact there has always been a strong English mindset that Britain has never been part of the “Continent of Europe.” It’s that little ditch that is like the Grand Canyon.
I’m sure you’ve all noticed the European and especially the English Atheists/Secularists chipping away at Christianity and Muslims going the same but in small yet very insidious ways that the former group accepts as OK too.
There will come a day, hopefully after I’m dead and gone, when the Christian world will have to fight and kill all in the Muslim world. This WWIII will be Armageddon or the next closest thing to it. Some Protestants believe that the Pope is the Anti-Christ and the Catholic Church, “The Whore of Babylon,” and that Catholics aren’t Christian and are destined to Hell. There is a different and more logical answer….
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I don’t think you are wrong David. And I, like you, hope I’m gone as well but, I do worry about the young one like Jess that we shall leave behind. have we prepared them well enough? Time will tell.
Those protestants, and I have met some as well, are the enemies fifth column and in the last analysis will have to be treated as such.
I still say if the Plantagenets and the Normans could neither unite England and France who do these little people think the are anyway?
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I pray you are wrong my friend, but we should prepare on the basis you are spot on. That really is one of the reasons we cannot, as Christians, waste time attacking each other – the enemy is in plain view.
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The War when it comes will both Civil and Worldwide, something we’ve never experienced before especially with Muslims ove-running and over populating Europe AND Britain.
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That is true, and why we need to make the utmost efforts to forestall it. It may not be possible but we need to try.
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Well, that seems highly likely, I fear.
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Western culture — TRUE Western Culture — is fundamentally stronger than the Islamic.
The hegemony of the Americans is very superficial in nature indeed.
More bluntly — 99% Muslims in Europe are of no real military nor political value to the Islamists.
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If we carry on aborting and contracepting ourselves out of existence, demographics will do it for Islam in Europe.
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And wait, don’t underestimate us either, we look more superficial than we are. We have no, and wish no hegemony but will, when pushed go out into the world and fight evil, we, the UK and the Commonwealth are just about all that will.
On your Muslims, Really? they stop France from functioning now with what 13% of the population. An enemy that cannot act is a living corpse.
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Yes, Jess, you will. If present trends continue, Europe will be gone as we know it by the turn of the century, from the Atlantic to the Urals.
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Yes, a quarter of babies born here last year were to parents born outside the UK.
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I hadn’t seen that one but what I have seen is that Europe is producing about 1.7 offspring per couple, that a loser, pure and simple.
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Well, that stat does not, of course, include babies born to Muslims born here, so the demographics here are probably even worse.
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I saw that one too, but don’t remember exactly, it was about 5 if I recall, plus immigration.
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Yes, I think so.
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So many figures run through these posts, it’s sometimes hard to remember.
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Very true, especially for those of us without an eye for them 🙂
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Math is hard, especially when you have to keep them in both the right column and row 🙂
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That’ll be where I go wrong! Still, you guys seem to spend a good amount if time on figures 🙂
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Well, in business, it’s how we keep score, and most Americans are at least frustrated businesspeople, I think its in our blood, of course , in my case, the second definition of Viking is trader, so there you go 🙂
Plus my work has a lot of math in it as well. 🙂
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I still think it has to do with interest in ‘figures’ more generally 🙂
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I won’t argue with you, mostly because I can only speak for me, I understand simple math well enough but like History better 🙂
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I am not good with figures, unless they are the household accounts – but I do love history 🙂
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Household accounts are where it all came from, of course, with one of the few assists we got from the Arabs, can you imagine trying to multiply Roman numerals. 🙂
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Yes, true – I wonder how they did that 🙂
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I think a few years ago, I saw an article that archaeologists had found abacuses in Viking age York, which would be a real help, along with the notched sticks, of course. 🙂
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Yes, sounds like my way of doing the accounts 🙂
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Well, i prefer spreadsheets, I understand math, sort of, but can’t do arithmetic for a darn 🙂
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Me neither!
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Still another thing in common ! 🙂
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That pleases me :). Well, it is that time again my friend – a goodnight to you xx
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Me too 🙂 Good night Dearest friend 🙂
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Thank you – night, night xx 🙂
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Abortion and contraception will kill off mainly the homosexualists, feminists, hedonists, sex-obsessed, and their ilk.
That’s something hard to say, but it’s the anthropological truth.
There is no political correctness in Darwinism — and Islam lacks the military, political, nor ideological strength to pose any kind of threat to the West.
Islam is instead in the process of being fragmented by Western values.
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I hope you are right 🙂
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Maybe, I hope so, but I’m not really willing to bet western civilization on it.
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Keep our powder dry. There’s an old Arab saying, ‘trust in Allah, but tie your camel to the tree all the same.’
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I’ve heard that a time or two. And of course Reagan always said “Trust, but Verify.”
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Good motto 🙂
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Next best thing to “Trust the dealer but cut the cards.” 🙂 Wisdom of the ages, these are.
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Sounds good to me 🙂
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They’re true, they’re cliches but that’s because they’re true. 🙂
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Lots of experience in such sayings 🙂
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Now you did, you get my favorite.
“Good Judgement domes from experience
Experience comes from bad judgement,
preferably someone else’s”
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🙂 x
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:–) x
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:–) xx
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Jabba, where is this TRUE Western Culture to be found? Who and What stuff ’tis made of, whereof it is born?
NEO’s right without our weak hegemony in Europe, France would still be speaking German.
My friend who was in the Marines in Vietnam was at a check point when a family of Vietnamese were checked through. He had his back to them as they went on their way. Something told him something was wrong. He turned to see the mother, pulling a grenade to roll back to the check point…..
So you’d trust having a Muslim at your back? Not me.
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Jabba, where is this TRUE Western Culture to be found?
In Europe ? 🙂
NEO’s right without our weak hegemony in Europe, France would still be speaking German
No, that’s rubbish — the Germans have been trying since about the 8th century, but it’s French spoken.
It’s possible that or more Insular or Melting-Pot friends don’t really look at the Cultural strength of the Continental Nations of Western Europe with the proper degree of respect.
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Jabba, I suspect the reference is to World War 2, and to the likelihood that without American help, the French would still be ruled by Germany – Nazi Germany at that. Old Europe lasted what, six weeks before laying down its arms in 1940?
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The only country around Europe worth our blood is the UK, Jess. For the same reason, you built on the strengths of all Europe the Angle, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Norwegians, Normans and all. It’s as valid for you as for us. The timid never started and the sick died on the way.
Although the French did beat you twice in 200 years, once with the help of the Black Death and once with our help in the Revolution 🙂
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Well, without you, ‘Overlord’ would not have happened. The French have never been grateful for being saved, but that was not why you guys did it.
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No, it is not. Nor is it why you and the Canadians went with us. Evil must be fought, not contained. And if you hadn’t held out in 40-41 it couldn’t have happened.
Did you ever hear that when De Gaulle demanded that our troops leave France as part of NATO in 65, Johnson instantly asked, “Would you like us to take our dead with us too?”
By the way WordPress stole a 0 from me, that was supposed to be 2000 years not 200.
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No, I had not heard that. The French have generally cut a shabby figure post 1945.
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True. and even before really. I think the First World War killed their spirit, along with that generation.
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I din’t think they were the same after 1871, but they made an heroic effort from 14 to 18, but without help, they’d have lost that one.
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That one was a mess, period. It was just to even, any country missing would have turned it around. there were harbingers of what was going to happen in our Civil war, especially in the later campaigns in Virginia.
The real problem was that the defense was far to advanced over the offense, and a lot of the leadership was very bad. (high level, not the field officer’s, they were amazingly good.)
The Junkers had bred pretty true to the Knights of St, John they were descended from, though.
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Yes, a terrible slaughter in which old Europe destroyed much if itself.
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Yes that about covers it. It should be studied mostly to learn what NOT to do.
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And how not to do it.
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Concur!
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🙂 xx good night, dearest friend
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Night, night 🙂 xx
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Jabba, I suspect the reference is to World War 2, and to the likelihood that without American help, the French would still be ruled by Germany – Nazi Germany at that. Old Europe lasted what, six weeks before laying down its arms in 1940?
German rule in France is unsustainable, both 1871 and Angela Merkel have demonstrated that … without Allied help, the war in France would have lasted 15-20 years, not 4 or 5.
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Jabba, the war in France ended in 1940, who would have started it up again and with what? The French resistance was largely a myth, and largely ineffectual where it was not. Vichy was quite happy collaborating.
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Heck. Jess, Petain and company enjoyed it so much they gave collaborating a bad name.
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I think poor Petain was trying to save his people too much suffering, the real low life were men like Laval.
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True that.
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Jabba, the war in France ended in 1940
Not really, no.
There are very few French monuments to the dead in WW2 that do not have similar numbers of dead throughout 1940 to 1945 — and pretty often even some for 1946.
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That may be the French story Jabba, but there was so little threat that the Germans were able to send their best forces to the Eastern front. If the French lost as many in 1942 as in 1940, they may be counting those who fired on the Allies during ‘Torch’ – not sure I’d count them, or those at Mers el Kebir or in Syria as losses against the Nazis.
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There may have been French who fought in either camp, but this is not compatible with the statement that the war “ended” in 1940 in France …
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The army surrendered, the government capitulated at Versailles, no less, and the British withdrew. That was the end of the war for France, except for some irregulars under De Gaulle with American and British sponsorship and equipment Plus, as Jess noted, the futile attempts to mess with the Anglo-American forces in the Mediterranean. Even Stalin.was more grateful than France. Casualties in 1946? That must of been your attempt to reestablish your colonies in Africa and Indochina.
Sure those casualty figures aren’t the Jews turned over to the Germans by Vichy?
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Well, to be precise then, the French State stopped fighting Nazism, although it remained willing to fight to British and the Americans.
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That must of been your attempt
Mine ? LOL
I am not French…
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The hippies ruled from about 1960s to 1990s — teh gayz lobby won’t even last that long, through lack of sexual reproduction.
The bottom line is that most people don’t give a fig about gays.
Telling them ALL that their infertile and medically unadvisable sexual relationships will be protected, as in some kind of wildlife park, will decimate their ranks as they will flee marriage in their droves, like lemmings enamoured of the Dover Cliffs.
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Their sex lives, unfortunately aren’t the problem, all we have to do to fix that is let the muslims take over. It’s their political ideas that are dangerous.
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I suspect that the French people are sound, it is their politicians who aren’t – familiar story.
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I think that is probably very true, as well.
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Whatever it is we do to end up with such leaders, I wish we’d stop it 🙂
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Too many have been educated to depend on the government instead of themselves, plus the false lesson of equality from the French Revolution mostly, I think.
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We are equal in God’s eyes – after that, the only equality is of kindness.
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One more- equal in God’s eyes and equal under the law. Results are up to you. 🙂
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Spot on – well, that’s me done – so good night my dearest friend – and to all my friends here 🙂
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Good night, my dearest friend. As always I enjoyed your hospitality. 🙂
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Jabba – this a little off the thread, this is about the Trinity. My mouth is horrified with I am about to say. As you know “Where the Bishop is there is the Church” but every man and woman comments with the same authority as the small voice of the Church.
Perhaps this is from the belief that we are all equal. But for the church, we are not a democracy, we have a King forever, we are a Royal household.
To counter these voices maybe you could state the main point in one sentence, followed by a well thought out paragraph, cut down to the basics, and restate the first sentence for, those who seek an answer different from cafeteria Catholics. Now I am afraid we are in the world of Catholics with a nats attention span. It horrified me that with cafeteria Catholics you can chose what you want and throw the church over the side.
If you read Humanus Vita every thing that the church warned against has come true, The culture is wounded, the society is wounded, marriage is wounded, the young are wounded, and the children are killed.
My gift to the church is caring for the poor and painting the very best I can. I have done a center altar piece for the church of St. Barbara, and I am in wonder that I did this because I had little to do with it, it was grace. Perhaps you can gift the church with theology.
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Started answering, lost it due to some glitch.
I’ll try again later.
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I do hate it when that happens 🙂
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You have the Muslim wolf sitting down with the pale weak christian sheep discussing what to have for dinner.
Why you joined the EU, a club run by the French for the Germans is a mystery to me. For the politicians I can understand, it is the toy in the Crackerjack box.
I liked Britain better when the headlines read, ”Fog in channel, Europe isolated”.
You have to live history, you can not go back, bad choices and worse choices is all you have.
But the Church has the promise of the Lord, we as members of the body are not so lucky; but being a martyr has always been part of the deal.
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Yes, I suspect there’s a lot in it for the politicians.
Martyrdom frightens me, I admit it, but I pray I would have the courage.
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Do not we all. To fail at the last minute is human. I had a friend who was a Lt. in the Seals in Viet Nam who was captured, he had no fingernails. Now me, I would say “What do you want to know”. To be human is to resist, to spit in your enemy’s eye is to be truly human, counted foolish only in a world of peace. It is pain we fear not death.
This you must remember when Lt. Cmdr Capodanno who was the chaplain for the 2nd Marines put his hand on a badly wounded man, just moments before the chaplain was killed by the LMG and the Marine said when the Lt. Cmdr’s hand touched his head, his pain disappeared and where the deafening sound of gunfire and mortar fire was, only silence and peace.
God will give you the same.
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Thank you, Tom 🙂
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I agree with Tom. It;s something that comes with age. I have no fear of death, pain is something else and yes, that is a lesson our PW’s have taught us, the Lord will provide.
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Yes, all we can do us to trust in Him – and keep our powder dry 🙂
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Two time tested rules, those. 🙂
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True that 🙂
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Yup 🙂
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That’s the main advantage we have here actually, the sheep are still armed, and willing to dispute the menu.
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Let us hope so 🙂
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So far, so good 🙂
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Nothing wrong with being a sheep. And it’s not wise to underestimate one. For instance, this one:
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That’s a Ram not a Ramadan.
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Goodness, gracious – I see what you mean.
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Jessica – I re-read what I wrote to Jabba about the Trinity, and I am not talking about your understanding nor in a way Jabba understanding of the Trinity.
You are both way beyond my pay grade, I do not have a clue what you guys were talking about, it was like listening to a foreign language, I caught a word here and there, but most was like listening to Russian.
I know enough Russian to say hmm and yes and no, scares the …. out of the Russians here since they are paranoid and illegal, a few words placed properly in a conversation, a nod and a wink, bingo you are the CIA.
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Yes, I can understand that Tom – it can get a bit like listening to a foreign language. I am hoping today’s posts will clarify thing a bit 🙂
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LOL Tom !!!
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